How Can I Build an AM Receiver with Limited Supplies?

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The discussion revolves around building an AM receiver using limited supplies, specifically focusing on the challenges of component selection such as trimmer capacitors and inductors. Participants explore various configurations and techniques for constructing the receiver, including considerations for selectivity and resonance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a 3-40 pF variable capacitor and building an inductor, but expresses concern about the number of turns needed for an AM receiver.
  • Another participant provides a link to a variable tuning capacitor suitable for AM radios.
  • A different participant mentions the Foxhole radio as an alternative method for building an AM receiver, highlighting its simplicity and effectiveness.
  • One participant reports success in receiving a station at 1280 kHz with a specific inductor and capacitor setup but questions the selectivity due to the inductor's resistance.
  • There is a proposal to use three 100 pF capacitors in parallel with the variable capacitor to increase total capacitance, although uncertainty about its effectiveness is expressed.
  • Concerns are raised about the multimeter's capacitance measurement, specifically regarding lead capacitance affecting readings.
  • A participant mentions using a germanium diode and an LM386 amplifier in their setup, noting the ability to receive both AM and FM signals.
  • Another participant argues that the inductor's DC resistance is not a significant factor for selectivity or sensitivity, attributing limitations to antenna coupling and impedance mismatch.
  • One participant advises against building a transmitter due to licensing requirements, suggesting a focus on receiver construction instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness of different components and configurations, with no consensus reached on the best approach to improve selectivity or the impact of inductor resistance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design for the AM receiver.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific component values and configurations, but there are limitations regarding the availability of larger capacitors and the practicality of achieving desired inductance values with available materials. The discussion also highlights potential measurement inaccuracies with multimeters.

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My 18 year-old students have just learned that an LC circuit can be used as an oscillator or as an tuner, so I would like them to build either an FM transmitter or an AM receiver as a homework. However, the only trimmer capacitors I have right now are 3-40 pF. They could build their own coil with 22 gauge wire, which is fine for the FM oscillator, but not so much for the AM receiver since they would need something around 500 μH to be able to pick up an AM station (too many turns!). Should I buy bigger caps (hard to find variables with more than 100 pF)? Should I buy 500 μH fixed inductors?
 
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hi there damosuz
welcome to PF :)

here's just the thing you need ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miniature-Variable-Tuning-Capacitor-for-Am-Radio-lot-of-5-/181595034345
cheers
Dave
 
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There's also a old trick to make a AM receiver called a Foxhole or POW radio. The combination of antenna capacitance and the coil make an LC circuit in the right range to receive a strong signal.

If you find the parts for a tunable set you might want to also try this for extra credit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio
 
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Thank you for your help davenn and nsaspook. I will definitely order the tuning cap and try the foxhole radio. For now, I have to find a way to make it work with the material I have.

I made a AM tuner with a 3-40 pf variable cap and a 800 μH inductor I had and I was only able to pick up a station at 1280 kHz. I think this is due to the fact that the selectivity is poor because of the 10 Ω resistance of the inductor. I thought I could improve selectivity by using a 50 μH inductor (lower resistance), which would force me to increase the capacity to keep the same resonance frequency. Could I just put three 100 pF caps in parallel with the 3-40 pF to have a capacity in the range 300-340 pF?

Also, I noticed that when I put my multimeter on the capacitance measurement mode, it reads around 0.100 nF with the leads connected but not touching each other. Should I subtract 0.100 nF from every capacitance measurement?
 
damosuz said:
Also, I noticed that when I put my multimeter on the capacitance measurement mode, it reads around 0.100 nF with the leads connected but not touching each other. Should I subtract 0.100 nF from every capacitance measurement?

your meter should have a know for zero'ing out the lead capacitance before you connect to the cap under test

Do you already have the detector diodes you need for the receiver ?
 
damosuz said:
I made a AM tuner with a 3-40 pf variable cap and a 800 μH inductor I had and I was only able to pick up a station at 1280 kHz. I think this is due to the fact that the selectivity is poor because of the 10 Ω resistance of the inductor. I thought I could improve selectivity by using a 50 μH inductor (lower resistance), which would force me to increase the capacity to keep the same resonance frequency. Could I just put three 100 pF caps in parallel with the 3-40 pF to have a capacity in the range 300-340 pF?
Most likely, this will not improve selectivity
 
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Do you already have the detector diodes you need for the receiver ?

Yes, I use a germanium diode, a LM386 as an amplifier and a 8 Ω speaker. So with my 3-40 pF trimmer cap I can hear an AM station at 1280 kHz and a strong FM station when I turn the cap, which I assume is a slope detection.
 
zoki85 said:
Most likely, this will not improve selectivity

Even if the resistance of the 50 μH inductor is much lower than that of the 800 μH?
 
damosuz said:
Even if the resistance of the 50 μH inductor is much lower than that of the 800 μH?

The inductor DC resistance is not much of an important factor here for either selectivity or sensitivity. The selectivity is limited by the low Q possible with a closely coupled antenna and detector likely being completely impedance mismatched. This same factor affects the sensitivity by not optimizing the energy flow from the antenna to the detector.

http://www.crystal-radio.eu/engev.htm
 
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damosuz said:
My 18 year-old students have just learned that an LC circuit can be used as an oscillator or as an tuner, so I would like them to build either an FM transmitter or an AM receiver as a homework. However, the only trimmer capacitors I have right now are 3-40 pF. They could build their own coil with 22 gauge wire, which is fine for the FM oscillator, but not so much for the AM receiver since they would need something around 500 μH to be able to pick up an AM station (too many turns!). Should I buy bigger caps (hard to find variables with more than 100 pF)? Should I buy 500 μH fixed inductors?

I would recommend not building a transmitter -- just focus on building receivers. This is because most of the EM band requires a license to transmit. There are some bands where a license is not required, but you also have to know what you are doing to even confine your TX signal to such a band.
 
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