How can I calculate a rotation using geometric algebra?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating a rotation of a vector using geometric algebra (GA). Participants explore different methods for performing the calculation, including the use of exponential forms and the conversion of vectors into complex numbers. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of rotations in GA and the application of specific formulas.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula e^{-B \frac{\pi}{2}}(2e_{1}+3e_{2}+e_{3})e^{B\frac{\pi}{2}} for calculating the rotation, questioning whether to substitute trigonometric identities or convert the vector into a complex number.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the conjugation by e^{-B\frac{\pi}{2}} and asks for clarification on its action.
  • A different participant explains the general formula for rotation as a^{,}= RaR^{\dagger}, introducing the concept of a unit bivector B and its relationship to the rotation matrix R.
  • One participant attempts to compute the product using trigonometric identities and expresses concern that the resulting vectors are not orthogonal, despite expecting a 90-degree rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating the rotation, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution. There is uncertainty regarding the application of the formulas and the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific assumptions about the definitions of B and the nature of the rotation, but these assumptions remain unresolved. The discussion includes various interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Hi, I want to calculate a rotation of a vector GA style with this formula e^{-B \frac{\pi}{2}}(2e_{1}+3e_{2}+e_{3})e^{B\frac{\pi}{2}}. Now since no book/pdf on GA exists where a calculation is explicitly done with numbers, I wounder how to calculate this. Should I substitude e^{-B \frac{\pi}{2}}=cos (\frac{\pi}{2})-Bsin(\frac{\pi}{2})(same for the other term) and see what I get, or should I convert the vector into a complex number and then convert it into the exponential form and then multiply it? Or how is this done? By the way, how do I convert a vector in R^{3} into a complex number? Multiply on the left with e_{1}e_{2}? In R^{2} it is just multiplication by e_{1} on the left.
 
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Hi, I want to calculate a rotation of a vector GA style with this formula e^{-B \frac{\pi}{2}}(2e_{1}+3e_{2}+e_{3})e^{B\frac{\pi}{2}}. Now since no book/pdf on GA exists where a calculation is explicitly done with numbers, I wounder how to calculate this. Should I substitude e^{-B \frac{\pi}{2}}=cos (\frac{\pi}{2})-Bsin(\frac{\pi}{2})(same for the other term) and see what I get, or should I convert the vector into a complex number and then convert it into the exponential form and then multiply it? Or how is this done? By the way, how do I convert a vector in R^{3} into a complex number? Multiply on the left with e_{1}e_{2}? In R^{2} it is just multiplication by e_{1} on the left.
Is B the imaginary unit?

Your question is unclear. I am particularly confused by your conjugation by "e^{-B\frac{\pi}{2}}," since I'm not sure how it is acting.

Would you please clarify?
 
Hi Pond Dragon. Sry, the general formula for a rotation is defined as a^{,}= RaR^{\dagger} Where R=nm and R^{\dagger}=mn. Now one uses B= \frac{m\wedge n}{sin \phi}, B^{2}=-1 (unit bivector) and rewrites R=cos \frac{\phi}{2} -B sin \frac{\phi}{2}=e^{-B \frac{\phi}{2}} and R^{\dagger}= cos \frac{\phi}{2} +B sin \frac{\phi}{2}=e^{B \frac{\phi}{2}}. Hope that helps !
Thx for reply.
 
JonnyMaddox said:
Hi Pond Dragon. Sry, the general formula for a rotation is defined as a^{,}= RaR^{\dagger} Where R=nm and R^{\dagger}=mn. Now one uses B= \frac{m\wedge n}{sin \phi}, B^{2}=-1 (unit bivector) and rewrites R=cos \frac{\phi}{2} -B sin \frac{\phi}{2}=e^{-B \frac{\phi}{2}} and R^{\dagger}= cos \frac{\phi}{2} +B sin \frac{\phi}{2}=e^{B \frac{\phi}{2}}. Hope that helps !
Thx for reply.
So, you don't know how to compute the product? It looks like you could just apply definitions.
 
Hi again, so you think this is the right way

(cos \frac{\pi}{2}-Bsin\frac{\pi}{2})(2e_{1}+3e_{2}+e_{3})=-e_{1}B2-e_{2}B3-e_{3}B

then from the right
(-e_{1}B2-e_{2}B3-e_{3}B)(cos\frac{\pi}{2}+Bsin\frac{\pi}{2})=-2e_{1}-3e_{2}+e_{3}
It should be a rotation of 90 degrees, but the two vectors are not orthogonal hm.
 

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