How can I calculate the radius of an ellipse at a specific angle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of an ellipse at a specific angle, focusing on the mathematical formulas and approaches involved in the conversion between Cartesian and polar coordinates. Participants explore different methods and clarify the implications of using various points of reference, such as the center versus the foci of the ellipse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the formula to calculate the radius of an ellipse given the major and minor axis lengths at a specific angle (Post 1).
  • Another participant provides a formula involving the maximum radius and eccentricity, noting the significance of the angle chosen (Post 2).
  • A different approach is suggested using the standard form of the ellipse equation and a polar coordinate transformation (Post 3).
  • A participant points out a discrepancy with a formula from Wikipedia, questioning whether the correct term involves (1 - e^2) or (1 - e) (Post 4).
  • One participant asserts that Wikipedia is correct, clarifying the context of the angle being referenced (Post 5).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about converting to polar coordinates and seeks clarification on the correct formula (Post 6).
  • There is a reiteration of the need to clarify the reference point for the radius calculation, with acknowledgment of a misunderstanding regarding the context of the question (Post 7).
  • Two similar formulas for calculating the radius from the center are proposed, with one participant questioning the correctness of both (Post 8, Post 9).
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of showing work to identify errors in the proposed formulas (Post 9).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formula for calculating the radius of an ellipse, particularly regarding the reference point and the terms used in the equations. There is no consensus on the correct approach or formula, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the reference points (center vs. foci) and the specific terms in the formulas. The discussion includes various interpretations of the angle and its implications for the calculations.

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given the major axis length, minor axis length, at the given angle THETA. what's the formula?
 
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bobthebanana said:
given the major axis length, minor axis length, at the given angle THETA. what's the formula?

[tex]r(\theta) = r_{max} \frac{1-e}{1+ e cos \theta}[/tex]
with r_max = aphelion = a(1+e). Here my angle is chosen to be zero at perihelion (you can check that when theta=0, we recover a(1-e) = perihelion and when theta= 180 degrees, we get the aphelion).

Patrick
 
On standard form, with (x,y) being Cartesian points, the equation for the ellipse is:
[tex](\frac{x}{a})^{2}+(\frac{y}{b})^{2}=1[/tex]
Now, just make a standard polar coordinate change of (x,y) and gain an equation for the radius r!
 
wikipedia says it's (1 - e^2) as opposed to (1 - e) in that equation nrqed. Who's right?
 
Wikipedia is correct. Note well: nrqed is talking about the angle between line segments subtending from one of the foci of the ellipse. If you followed arildno's advice, you would have computed the angle between line segments subtending from the center of the ellipse.
 
yes i need the radius from the center as opposed to one of the foci...


what is the formula? I'm not sure how to convert to polar coordinates

x = rcos(theta)
y = rsin(theta)

and plug those values into that equation and solve for "r"? or am i doing something wrongly?
 
D H said:
Wikipedia is correct. Note well: nrqed is talking about the angle between line segments subtending from one of the foci of the ellipse. If you followed arildno's advice, you would have computed the angle between line segments subtending from the center of the ellipse.

Oh.. yes. Good catch. :frown: Sorry, for some reason I was thinking about it as an astronomy question when I posted, not as a math question, so I though it as asking the distance from one focus (eg the Sun). This is clear in my answer since I specified that the distances at zero and 180 degrees are the perihelion and aphelion. Sorry!
 
so from center... is it:

(ab)/((b^2cos^2t+a^2sin^2t)^(3/2))

or

(ab)/((b^2cos^2t+a^2sin^2t)^(1/2))?
 
bobthebanana said:
so from center... is it:

(ab)/((b^2cos^2t+a^2sin^2t)^(3/2))

or

(ab)/((b^2cos^2t+a^2sin^2t)^(1/2))?

Obviously not the first one, as the units are wrong (they are 1/length).

Not so obviously, the second one is wrong too. Don't just guess an answer.

Show your work so we can show where you went astray.
 

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