How can I calculate the velocity and height of a rocket at burnout time?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the motion of a rocket, specifically focusing on calculating its velocity and height at burnout time. The problem incorporates concepts from both physics and calculus, particularly Newton's Second Law and the dynamics of mass change due to fuel consumption.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for the mass of the rocket over time and its resulting velocity, while expressing uncertainty about the integration process and the application of separation of variables. Other participants question the classification of the problem as either physics or calculus-focused.

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Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, with some providing initial calculations and others seeking clarification on the integration and conceptual understanding. There is a lack of explicit consensus on the methods to be used, but guidance on the structure of the problem has been initiated.

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The original poster has expressed uncertainty about the integration required for solving the problem and the implications of the physics involved, indicating a potential gap in understanding the relationship between the physics and calculus components.

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Hello! I'll pose the question first:

A rocket is fired straight up, burning fuel at the constant rate of b kilograms per second. Let v=v(t) be the velocity of the rocket at time t and suppose that the velocity u of the exhaust gas is constant. Let M=M(t) be the mass of the rocket at time t and note that M decreases as the fuel burns. If we neglect air resistance, it follows from Newton’s Second Law that:

F= M (dv/dt)-ub where the force F=-Mg. Thus,

Equation I: M(dv/dt) - ub = -Mg.

Let M1 be the mass of the rocket without fuel, M2 the initial mass of the fuel

a) Find an equation for the mass M at time t in terms of M1, M2, and b.
b) Substitute this expression for M into equation 1 above and solve the resulting equation for dv/dt using separation of variables.
c) Determine the velocity of the rocket at the burnout velocity, when all the fuel is exhausted.
d) Find the height of the rocket at the burnout time.


For part a, I determined that M would equal M1 + M2 - bt. That makes sense.

For part b, I don't really know what they mean solve for dv/dt using separation of variables, so I just plugged it into equation 1 and, by solving for dv/dt, got:

(dv/dt) = -g + (ub / (M1 + M2 - bt))

So I'm not sure if I did part b correctly.

And for part c, I would assume that you would just integrate what you get in part b. What would that come out to be? I'm not very good at integration... :/

And for part d, the height of the rocket at the burnout time would be when... I'm not sure of that either...
 
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I wanted to increase my chances of getting a response. I don't know if this is a physics problem with calculus components or a calculus problem with physics components. :/
 
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