How can I calculate velocity from drag force and other variables?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating velocity from drag force and other related variables in fluid mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between drag force, fluid density, area, and drag coefficient, particularly in the context of measuring speed using a force sensing cell in water.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula to derive velocity from drag force, noting the availability of resources for calculating drag from velocity but not the reverse.
  • Another participant recalls a formula for drag force: F_{drag} = (1/2) * ρ * v² * A * C_d, suggesting that drag is a function of speed.
  • A participant questions the terminology, indicating that drag is proportional to acceleration and asks if the term "terminal speed" is more appropriate when drag opposes an external force.
  • One participant clarifies their intent, explaining that they are measuring the force exerted by water on a load cell plate and wish to derive speed from this force, area, and fluid density.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relationship is such that drag is a function of speed, not the other way around, indicating that while there may be a unique drag value for each speed, the reverse may not hold true.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between drag and velocity, with some emphasizing that drag is dependent on speed while others seek to understand how to derive speed from drag force. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific formula needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationship between drag and velocity, including factors such as fluid density and the conditions under which measurements are taken. There is also mention of the variability of fluid density with temperature, which may affect calculations.

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Hi, I'm looking for the formula to get the velocity value from a drag value. I found plenty of resources to do it the other way around (velocity to drag) but no luck to get it the way I need it.

This website seems to have it but they don't provide the rule and they actually want money to enable the calculate button... http://www.lmnoeng.com/Force/DragForce.htm

So basically I have the drag force value, the fluid density, area, force and drag coeff., I want to get the velocity from that.

For some context, I want to use a force sensing cell with a known area facing water towards the heading direction and get my speed value from the force exerted by the water on the sensing cell.

Could anybody help me geopardize the equation to get it right?
 
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If I remember fluid mechanics properly

then


[tex]F_{drag}= \frac{1}{2} \rho v^2 AC_d[/tex]
 
"Drag" is a force which is proportional to acceleration, not velocity. Do you mean the "terminal speed" when drag opposes some outside force?

(rock.freak667 gives a formula for drag as a function of speed.)
 
Ok yes, maybe I poorly explained what I wanted. Drag is proportional to acceleration, and it's not quite what I want. I'm not sure of the term to use here as I started searching for frontal resistance and wikipedia pushed me towards the drag term.

Let's use an example here... If you're on the road going 20MPH and stick your hand out the window, your hand will be pushed by the air rushing in (which I believe is named frontal resistance). This effect is proportional to speed, not to acceleration and will be constant at a given speed (no, there is no wind in this perfect theory world!). The faster you go, the more pressure is exerted on your hand.

I have a very similar setup; a load cell plate installed on the front of an aquatic vehicle measures the force at which the water pushes on it. I can get a force value with this measurement. Now I need to get a speed value from the force value, the area of the sensing plate and the fluid (water) density.

I'm aware that density changes with temperature but I can compensate for that. All I need is the basic formula to get my velocity.

Thanks :)
 
That's a different matter. That's not a matter of the speed being a function of drag, it a matter of drag being a function of speed! If you have such a function then there must be one value of the drag for each speed but not necessarily a value of speed for each value of the drag, which is what you are asking for.
 

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