How can I differentiate between alpha particles and helium in an enclosed space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on methods to detect helium in an enclosed space, particularly in the context of an experiment involving alpha decay from a radioactive source. Participants explore various detection techniques and the need to differentiate between alpha particles and helium in a vacuum environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest measuring pressure if helium is the only gas present in the container.
  • Others propose using mass spectrometry or gas chromatography for detecting helium, emphasizing the importance of calibration for accuracy.
  • A later reply mentions that to detect helium with a mass spectrometer, it must be ionized first, while alpha particles could be detected using a silicon detector.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to differentiate between alpha particles and helium due to the nature of the experiment involving alpha decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best detection methods and the implications of needing to differentiate between alpha particles and helium, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the quality of the vacuum and the level of helium present, as well as the need for calibrated measurement devices.

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Can someone recommend (if possible) a way to detect the amount of helium in a given enclosed space? I'm designing an experiment in which I will need to measure the amount in an otherwise vacuum.
 
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If helium is the only thing in the container, why not just measure the pressure?
 
How to detect the amount depends on the quality of the vacuum and the level of helium in that volume.

Normal Helium mass spectrometer/RGA leak detection methods will work and can be fairly accurate if you have a calibrated measurement device or a calibrated leak to use as a standard.

Find a copy of 'A User's Guide to Vacuum Technology by John F. O'Hanlon" for measurement details.

http://www.lesker.com/newweb/Techni...etect_01_Overview.cfm?section=leaks&init=skip
 
connorp said:
Can someone recommend (if possible) a way to detect the amount of helium in a given enclosed space? I'm designing an experiment in which I will need to measure the amount in an otherwise vacuum.

Gas Chromatograph or Mass Spectrometer (RGA)
 
russ_watters said:
If helium is the only thing in the container, why not just measure the pressure?

Oops. Forgot to mention that the experiment would involve the alpha decay of a radioactive source, hence, I need a way to differentiate between alpha particles and helium.
 
connorp said:
Oops. Forgot to mention that the experiment would involve the alpha decay of a radioactive source, hence, I need a way to differentiate between alpha particles and helium.

That's out of my level of expertise but to detect helium with a mass spectrometer/RGA you need to ionize it first so it can be accelerated into the mass detector. For charged particles like alphas a silicon detector could be used.

http://www.ortec-online.com/Solutions/RadiationDetectors/silicon-charged-particle-detectors.aspx
 
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