How Can I Find a Point on sqrt{x} With a Given Slope to (1,1)?

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The discussion revolves around finding a point on the curve \( \sqrt{x} \) such that the slope of the line connecting this point to (1, 1) is \( \frac{1}{4} \). Participants explore the mathematical steps needed to derive this point, including slope calculations and simplifications, while addressing challenges related to the problem's requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines point \( P \) as \( (x, \sqrt{x}) \) and seeks to determine the slope of the line through \( P \) and (1, 1).
  • Another participant expresses the slope \( m \) as \( m = \frac{\sqrt{x} - 1}{x - 1} \) and questions whether to let \( x = 1 \), leading to an indeterminate form.
  • Some participants discuss the necessity of avoiding \( x = 1 \) to ensure two distinct points, suggesting the use of limits to compute the instantaneous slope.
  • There is a proposal to simplify the slope expression by factoring the denominator, leading to the form \( m = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x} + 1} \).
  • Participants agree that setting the slope equal to \( \frac{1}{4} \) implies \( \sqrt{x} + 1 = 4 \), which leads to solving for \( x \).
  • One participant concludes that the required point is \( (9, 3) \) after performing the necessary calculations.
  • There are suggestions for improving the presentation of mathematical expressions using LaTeX.
  • A participant raises a separate issue regarding difficulties in uploading images to the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is a general agreement on the steps to find the point and the calculations involved, the discussion includes some uncertainty regarding the handling of the slope at \( x = 1 \) and the use of limits. Additionally, there are differing preferences for formatting mathematical expressions.

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Participants express limitations related to the presentation of mathematical content and the technical challenges of using LaTeX versus images. The discussion does not resolve the best method for uploading images or the optimal way to format mathematical expressions.

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Find a point P on the curve sqrt{x} such that the slope of the line through P and (1, 1) is 1/4.

There are no sample questions in the book for me to follow.

What are the steps needed for me to solve this problem?
 
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Let point $P$ be:

$$\left(x,\sqrt{x}\right)$$

Now what is the slope of the line through $P$ and $(1,1)$?
 
MarkFL said:
Let point $P$ be:

$$\left(x,\sqrt{x}\right)$$

Now what is the slope of the line through $P$ and $(1,1)$?

I must find the slope between the two points.
 
RTCNTC said:
I must find the slope between the two points.

Yes, but what is this slope?

$$m=\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}=\frac{y_2-y_1}{x_2-x_1}=?$$
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, but what is this slope?

$$m=\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}=\frac{y_2-y_1}{x_2-x_1}=?$$

m = (sqrt{x} - 1)/(x - 1)

Do you mean to let x = 1?

If so, m = (sqrt{1} - 1)/(1 - 1)

m = 0/0 = 0
 
RTCNTC said:
m = (sqrt{x} - 1)/(x - 1)

Yes, we have:

$$m=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{x-1}$$

Can you simplify this by writing the denominator as the different of squares and dividing out any common factors?

RTCNTC said:
Do you mean to let x = 1?

If so, m = (sqrt{1} - 1)/(1 - 1)

m = 0/0 = 0

No, we don't want to let $x=1$...otherwise we don't have two distinct points. You would need to use a limit in that case, and you would be computing the instantaneous slope, i.e., the derivative which is a concept from differential calculus. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, we have:

$$m=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{x-1}$$

Can you simplify this by writing the denominator as the different of squares and dividing out any common factors?
No, we don't want to let $x=1$...otherwise we don't have two distinct points. You would need to use a limit in that case, and you would be computing the instantaneous slope, i.e., the derivative which is a concept from differential calculus. :)

Ok. What is the slope?
 
RTCNTC said:
Ok. What is the slope?

You want to first simplify the slope:

$$m=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{x-1}=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{\left(\sqrt{x}+1\right)\left(\sqrt{x}-1\right)}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}+1}$$

Now, we are told we want the slope to be 1/4, and so this implies:

$$\sqrt{x}+1=4$$

So, what is the required point?
 
MarkFL said:
You want to first simplify the slope:

$$m=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{x-1}=\frac{\sqrt{x}-1}{\left(\sqrt{x}+1\right)\left(\sqrt{x}-1\right)}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}+1}$$

Now, we are told we want the slope to be 1/4, and so this implies:

$$\sqrt{x}+1=4$$

So, what is the required point?

We equate the slope to 1/4 and solve for x.
 
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1/4 = 1/($$\sqrt{x}$$ + 1)

4 = $$\sqrt{x}$$ + 1

4 - 1 = $$\sqrt{x}$$

3 = $$\sqrt{x}$$

$${3}^{2}$$ = $$({\sqrt{x}})^{2}$$

9 = x

The required point is (9, 3).
 
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I would suggest looking at the sticky threads in our "Math Formulas (MathJax)" forum, so you can avoid using an awkward mix of text and $\LaTeX$ in your workings. :D
 
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MarkFL said:
I would suggest looking at the sticky threads in our "Math Formulas (MathJax)" forum, so you can avoid using an awkward mix of text and $\LaTeX$ in your workings. :D

Can you provide the link?
 
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RTCNTC said:
Can you provide the link?

http://mathhelpboards.com/math-formulas-mathjax-62/
 
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Everytime I try uploading a picture, it tells me the image is too big. What can I do? I would rather upload pictures than deal with LaTex.
 
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