How can I find all possible Jordan forms?

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The discussion revolves around finding all possible Jordan forms for a linear transformation defined on a three-dimensional vector space over the rational numbers, specifically given the equation \((T^7 + 2I)(T^2 + 3T + 2I)^2 = 0\). Participants explore the relationship between the characteristic polynomial, eigenvalues, and minimal polynomials in the context of linear algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem and seeks guidance on finding Jordan forms and the characteristic polynomial.
  • Another participant asks about the attempts made so far and the participant's understanding of the characteristic polynomial and its relation to eigenvalues.
  • There are multiple reminders about the proper formatting for LaTeX expressions in the forum.
  • A participant suggests starting to factor the given equation to determine the rational roots and eigenvalues, indicating that this could provide insights into the Jordan form.
  • One participant proposes a possible form for the minimal polynomial as \((x+1)^a(x+2)^b\) with specified conditions on \(a\) and \(b\), and questions how this relates to the characteristic polynomial.
  • Another participant confirms that the minimal polynomial divides the characteristic polynomial and prompts further consideration of the factor \(T^7 + 2I\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact Jordan forms or the characteristic polynomial. There are competing views on how to proceed with the problem, and some uncertainty remains regarding the implications of the factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the relationship between the minimal polynomial and the characteristic polynomial, as well as the implications of the roots of the factors in the given equation.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying linear algebra, particularly those interested in Jordan forms, characteristic polynomials, and eigenvalues.

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find all possible Jordan forms
Hi this is my first message in this forum , I have this problem in my linear algebra course and I have never seen this type. Let $T : \mathbb{Q}^3 → \mathbb{Q}^3 $ a linear application s.t $(T^7 + 2I)(T^2 + 3T + 2I)^2 = 0$ Find all possible Jordan forms and the relative characteristic polinomial . Thanks to anyone for the help.
 
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What did you try so far? And what do you know about the characteristic polynomial and its relation to eigenvalues?
 
Need to use $$ (display) or ## (in line) on both ends to bracket Latex expressions here.
 
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fresh_42 said:
What did you try so far? And what do you know about the characteristic polynomial and its relation to eigenvalues?
Thanks for your help . What stops me it's just the beginning. I don't know what the zeroes of T can help me? In general in class I saw how to build jordan form using given matrix. Thanks again
 
mathman said:
Need to use $$ (display) or ## (in line) on both ends to bracket Latex expressions here.
Thanks , next time i'll use them
 
Like this:
Let $$T : \mathbb{Q}^3 → \mathbb{Q}^3 $$ a linear application s.t $$(T^7 + 2I)(T^2 + 3T + 2I)^2 = 0$$

Easy to read questions get more traction. Seriously, it wasn't THAT hard to fix.
 
laurabon said:
Thanks for your help . What stops me it's just the beginning. I don't know what the zeroes of T can help me? In general in class I saw how to build jordan form using given matrix. Thanks again
You should start to factorize your equation. Does ##T^7-2## have rational roots? What are the roots of the other factor? This should tell you something about the eigenvalues.
 
fresh_42 said:
You should start to factorize your equation. Does ##T^7-2## have rational roots? What are the roots of the other factor? This should tell you something about the eigenvalues.
I think that I found the correct solution to this question . The possible minimal polynomials are $$(x+1)^a(x+2)^b$$ with any $$0≤a≤2, 0≤b≤2, 1≤a+b≤3$$​
now what about characteristic polynomial ?I only need this to find the jordan form am I right?​
 
laurabon said:
I think that I found the correct solution to this question . The possible minimal polynomials are $$(x+1)^a(x+2)^b$$ with any $$0≤a≤2, 0≤b≤2, 1≤a+b≤3$$​
now what about characteristic polynomial ?I only need this to find the jordan form am I right?​
Yes.

What you have is almost the minimal polynomial, and the minimal polynomial divides the characteristic polynomial. Now, what about the factor ##T^7+2I##? What do we know about it?
 

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