How can I find the general form of a recursive formula?

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The discussion centers around finding the general form of a recursive formula related to a specific function, identified as a Mobius transformation. Participants explore the composition of this function and seek to express the nth composite function in a general form.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a function f(s) = (a+bs)/(c+ds) and seeks to determine the general form of its nth composite function, conjecturing it to be of the same form with new parameters α, β, γ, δ expressed in terms of a, b, c, d, and n.
  • Another participant identifies the function as a Mobius transformation and suggests looking for references on the composition of such functions, noting a lack of specific information on composition in the sources reviewed.
  • A later reply confirms the conjecture, indicating that the solution involves matrix multiplication and provides a mathematical representation of the composition process, emphasizing the potential for diagonalization of the matrix for simplification.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the Mobius transformation and conformal mapping, noting its effects on circles and lines in the complex plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification of the function as a Mobius transformation and the validity of the conjecture regarding the form of the nth composite function. However, the specifics of deriving the general form of the parameters remain open for exploration and verification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of Mobius transformations and matrix operations, but does not resolve the detailed algebraic steps necessary to derive the general form of the parameters α, β, γ, δ.

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Hey guys,

I would like to get some general form of recursive formula

let f(s) = (a+bs)/(c+ds)

given this I would like to get nth composite function of f

i.e the general form of f^n(s)= fofofofofo...of(s) (nth composite)

I can conjecture that the form of f^n(s) would be the same form with f(s) like

f^n(s) = (α+βs)/(γ+δs)

and α,β,γ,δ are would be expressed as function of a,b,c,d and n

So, I would like to get the general from of α,β,γ,δ with the function of a,b,c,d and n.

Thanks
 
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Your function is called a Mobius transformation. By looking up references about this function you may be able to find some information about the composition of functions that you want to find. A brief skim of the wikipedia article didn't yield a discussion of composition of the function, but I did see a section about fixed points of the transformation, which is related to composing the function infinitely many times.
 
dyh,

Your conjecture is correct. The solution ends up consisting of matrix multiplies. For example, if
[tex] z_1 = \frac{a z + b}{c z + d}[/tex]
and
[tex] z_2 = \frac{a_1 z_1 + b_1}{c_1 z_1 + d_1}[/tex]
then if we want to write
[tex] z_2 = \frac{a_2 z + b_2}{c_2 z + d_2}[/tex]
we have
[tex] \left( \begin{array}[cc] \\ a_2 & b_2 \\ c_2 & d_2 \end{array} \right)<br /> =<br /> \left( \begin{array}[cc] \\ a_1 & b_1 \\ c_1 & d_1 \end{array} \right)<br /> \left( \begin{array}[cc] \\ a & b \\ c & d \end{array} \right) .[/tex]

You should work through the algebra yourself to verify that I didn't make a mistake. Composition of more than two of these leads to simply more matrices to multiply. In your case, [itex]a_1=a, b_1=b,[/itex] etc. so you would simply have an nth power of a matrix. If your matrix can be diagonalized then this nth power is relatively simple.

By the way, this functional form is often called a Mobius (or bilinear) transformation. If you have ever learned about conformal mapping, you may recall that it maps circles/lines in the complex plane to other circles/lines.

jason
 
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Thanks buddy! It is really helpful.
I will try to get the specific form!
 

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