How can I get into MIT Physics Phd program?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around strategies for gaining admission into a top-tier PhD program in physics, specifically at MIT. Participants explore various factors influencing admissions, including undergraduate institution quality, research opportunities, and faculty recommendations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests transferring from Grove City College (GCC) to a research-focused university to enhance research opportunities and competitiveness for graduate programs.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of strong letters of recommendation, particularly from well-known faculty, but notes that this is just one of many factors in the admissions process.
  • Concerns are raised about GCC's policies, including hiring practices based on religious beliefs and restrictions on federal funding, which may limit research opportunities and participation in programs like REUs.
  • Some participants propose that involvement in research projects is crucial for gaining admission to a PhD program.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of transferring from GCC, with some strongly advocating for it while others suggest that strong letters of recommendation can still be obtained regardless of the undergraduate institution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the importance of undergraduate institution quality versus the strength of recommendations and research experience. The discussion also reflects varying opinions on GCC's policies and their impact on students' prospects.

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Hey!

I'm a freshman at Grove City college, (small liberal arts college in Pennsylvania) and am majoring in physics. What should I do to eventually get into the MIT (or other really good school's) Phd physics program. I'm willing to work really hard for it (I suppose you have to) and will do extra research, internships, extra classes etc.
 
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You might talk to Jeff Wolinksi, he graduated from Harvard.

Additionally, and I'm being serious here, I would transfer. First, GCC has a history of hiring faculty not based on academic excellence but based on their religious beliefs. This may extend to the curriculum - GCC's catalog is the only one I have every seen where the word "evolution" appears more often outside the biology department's section than inside.

Second, because they forbid their faculty from receiving federal funding, their on-campus research is nothing like you would find elsewhere.

Third, because they forbid their students from receiving federal funds, that prevents your participation in programs like REU.

Getting into a top graduate program is competitive. Your college's policies make it very difficult for you to compete.
 
Beyond that, transfer to a research one university, where you can get involved in research projects. The best way to get into a PhD program is if a professor in the field writes to his buddy at another school and says: "You know, my student Joe is fantastic at X, worked very diligently in my research lab, and well exceeded expectations." You won't have that opportunity at a non research institution.

Vanadium 50 said:
You might talk to Jeff Wolinksi, he graduated from Harvard.

Additionally, and I'm being serious here, I would transfer. First, GCC has a history of hiring faculty not based on academic excellence but based on their religious beliefs. This may extend to the curriculum - GCC's catalog is the only one I have every seen where the word "evolution" appears more often outside the biology department's section than inside.

Second, because they forbid their faculty from receiving federal funding, their on-campus research is nothing like you would find elsewhere.

Third, because they forbid their students from receiving federal funds, that prevents your participation in programs like REU.

Getting into a top graduate program is competitive. Your college's policies make it very difficult for you to compete.
 
I'm not sure that's the best way. Strong letters help, and strong letters from bigshots help more, but it's only part of the many factors that go into the admissions process.

That said, if someone wants a research degree like a PhD, one should look for an undergraduate school that emphasizes it. At a minimum, one should avoid a school with policies detrimental to it.
 

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