How can I know if two stars came from the same cluster?

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The discussion centers on determining whether two stars originated from the same open cluster, specifically in the context of their distances from Earth, the distance between them, and their spectral types. The inquiry also touches on measuring the absolute luminosity of variable stars, with a focus on Betelgeuse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to ascertain if two stars came from the same open cluster based on their distances and spectral types.
  • Another participant provides a link to a resource that may address some of the initial questions regarding star clusters.
  • A participant suggests that if three B0 stars are relatively close, they might be assumed to come from the same cluster, contingent on their main phase status.
  • There is a request for information on measuring the absolute luminosity of Betelgeuse, noting its variability and the challenges in finding an equation for its absolute magnitude.
  • A later reply references a paper that proposes a specific value for Betelgeuse's absolute magnitude, indicating that this is a topic of ongoing discussion and investigation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the methods for determining if stars come from the same cluster and the absolute magnitude of Betelgeuse. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available resources and the complexity of measuring stellar properties, particularly for variable stars like Betelgeuse.

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Hi everybody; I was wondering if there is a way of knowing if two stars came from the same open cluster knowing the distance fron these to the earth, the distance between them and their spectral types.

If someone can pont me to a book or webpage where I can learm about that, it would be very helpfull.

It's for an exercice in which I am asked about the possibility that the three stars from Orion's belt came from the same cluster since all sahre type B0.

Thanks for reading.
 
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This may answer some of your questions:

http://eaae-astronomy.org/WG3-SS/WorkShops/Cluster.html
 
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Indeed it does; so if I have three relatively close B0 stars I can assume that they might come from the same cluster since all of them are in the main phase?

Another thing I can't find online is how to measure the absolute luminosity of a variable star; in this case I am tallking about Betelgeuse; the only information I have is that it's period if of six years an that it's relative visibility changes between 0.4 and 0.6. I have found online sone diagrams made by Henrietta Swan Levitt, but I can't find an equation which can give me the absolute magnitude.
 
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Indeed it does; so if I have three relatively close B0 stars I can assume that they might come from the same cluster since all of them are in the main phase?

Another thing I can't find online is how to measure the absolute luminosity of a variable star; in this case I am tallking about Betelgeuse; the only information I have is that it's period if of six years an that it's relative visibility changes between 0.4 and 0.6. I have found online sone diagrams made by Henrietta Swan Levitt, but I can't find an equation which can give me the absolute magnitude.

Apparently you are not the only one having difficulty determining the absolute magnitude of Betelgeuse. The following paper explains in why Mv = -5.85 is the most plausible explanation for Betelgeuse's absolute magnitude.

A New VLA-Hipparcos Distance to Betelgeuse and its Implications - The Astronomical Journal, Volume 135, Number 4 (2008) (free issue)
 
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Nice, this helps me. Thanks.
 

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