How Can I Parametrize This Curve Using Polar Coordinates?

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The discussion focuses on parametrizing the equation $(x^2+y^2)^2 = r^2 (x^2 - y^2)$ using polar coordinates. Participants confirm that the polar transformations $x = r\cos{\theta}$ and $y = r\sin{\theta}$ are valid, leading to the equation $r^4 = r^4(\cos(2\theta) - \sin(2\theta))$. The parametrization is established as $0 \leq r < \infty$ along the lines $\theta = 0$ or $\theta = \pi$, which corresponds to Cartesian coordinates $(x(t), y(t)) = (t, 0)$ for any real number t. The discussion also highlights the need to evaluate a line integral involving the curve.

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Homework Statement


Parametrize the following equation using polar coordinates:


Homework Equations


$(x^2+y^2)^2 = r^2 (x^2 - y^2)$


The Attempt at a Solution


It seems that $x=r\cos{\theta}$ and $y = r\sin{\theta}$ don't work. any suggestions?
 
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hi jakey! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
jakey said:
It seems that $x=r\cos{\theta}$ and $y = r\sin{\theta}$ don't work. any suggestions?

yes it does …

show us how far you've got :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi jakey! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


yes it does …

show us how far you've got :smile:


hi tiny-tim, thanks for the reply :)

well, the left hand side would equal to (r^2)^2= r^4.
the right hand side would equal to r^2 (r^2 cos^2 θ - r^2 sin^2 θ)

but these two don't equal...right?
 
hi jakey! :smile:
jakey said:
but these two don't equal...right?

d'oh! :rolleyes: if the question says they're equal, then they're equal! :smile:

the equation has become r4 = r4(cos2θ - sin2θ) …

what are the solutions to that, and what curve does it represent? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi jakey! :smile:


d'oh! :rolleyes: if the question says they're equal, then they're equal! :smile:

the equation has become r4 = r4(cos2θ - sin2θ) …

what are the solutions to that, and what curve does it represent? :wink:

Hi tiny-tim, I need the parametrization for "x" and "y" so that the equation holds. I need this to evaluate a line integral that's why I am not looking for the corresponding polar equation...
 
solve it anyway :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
solve it anyway :smile:

Well, r = 0 or cos (2\theta) = 1. how is this going to help, tiny-tim?
 
jakey said:
Well, r = 0 or cos (2\theta) = 1.

and what curve is that? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
and what curve is that? :wink:

hi tiny-tim, I'm stuck. for one, r can't be 0 as the formula I'm dealing with has r=22. i just typed it as r as a generalization.

well,for cos 2\theta = 1, a solution, for example would be theta = 0 or theta = \pi. that would just be a line in the polar axis.
 
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jakey said:
well,for cos 2\theta = 1, a solution, for example would be theta = 0 or theta = \pi. that would just be a line in the polar axis.

well that's the parametrisation, isn't it? …

0 ≤ r < ∞, along the line θ = 0 or π …

in Cartesian coordinates: (x(t),y(t)) = (t, 0) for any t :wink:
 
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tiny-tim said:
well that's the parametrisation, isn't it? …

0 ≤ r < ∞, along the line θ = 0 or π …

in Cartesian coordinates: (x(t),y(t)) = (t, 0) for any t :wink:

WOW, really?? But I couldn't find a period for this...? Or, is it t \in (-\infty, \infty)?
 
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period? :confused:

what's the question?
 
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tiny-tim said:
period? :confused:

what's the question?

Hmm, this is the hint given:

"Parametrize the curve first using polar coordinates. Next, find the period which is to be done in Cartersian coordinates."

you see, the equation i gave above is the curve for the line integral of \int |y| ds.
 
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jakey said:
… the equation i gave above is the curve for the line integral of \int |y| ds.

(btw, if you don't use polar coordinates, the original equation becomes 2y2(x2+y2) = 0, or y = 0 :wink:)

∫ |y| ds ? …

well that's 0 :confused:
 
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tiny-tim said:
(btw, if you don't use polar coordinates, the original equation becomes 2y2(x2+y2) = 0, or y = 0 :wink:)

∫ |y| ds ? …

well that's 0 :confused:


it can't be. btw, it's ∫_C |y| ds where C is the curve I gave above. I need to parametrize it so I could use ds = ||r'(t)|| dt.
 

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