How can I solve this advanced polynomial division problem?

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The discussion revolves around solving an advanced polynomial division problem involving the integration of a rational function. Participants explore methods for determining coefficients in partial fraction decomposition and address issues related to the logarithmic function during integration.

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  • One participant describes their approach to solving the polynomial division problem and expresses confusion regarding the integration limits leading to a negative logarithm.
  • Another participant suggests that the equations were not set up correctly and provides a method for deriving the coefficients A, B, and C by comparing polynomial terms.
  • A different participant proposes an alternative method of substituting specific values for y to simplify the process of finding the coefficients, which leads to the same values for A, B, and C.
  • One participant notes an attempt to use absolute values in the logarithm but finds it ineffective in resolving the issue.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial setup of the equations, with differing views on how to correctly derive the coefficients. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the integration issue and the handling of logarithmic values.

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Participants express uncertainty about the setup of the polynomial division and the implications of negative logarithmic values during integration. The discussion highlights potential limitations in the initial assumptions made by the first participant.

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Some of you may have read my troubles that I had in this thread
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=162079

Now I am having more troubles with more advanced problems.

I started with this problem:

[4y^2 - 7y - 12] / [(y)(y+2)(y-3)]

The problem is that I set it up the same way as I did in that thread and I am able to solve for A, B, and C:
A= 3
B= 9/5
C= 1/5

so I integrate 3/y + (9/5)/(y+2) + (1/5)/(y-3)

and i get

3ln(y) + 9/5ln(y+2) + 1/5ln(y-3)

Beautiful right? Well I am suppost to find the integral over the area from 1 to 2.

When I plug in 1 and 2 into the 1/5 ln (y-3) it yields a negetive number and you can't take the ln of a negetive number!

Im sure I am making the mistake in the polynomial division somewhere but i don't know. I am thinking there is a way to simplify the original question first before i solve for A B and C... right? any insite would be wonderful!
 
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Ok so I forgot to mention that I also tried to take the absolute values of the value inside the ln and it still did not work.
 
Oh ok. You didn't set up your equations right. With a denominator with three factors, it becomes (you can see this by yourself):

[tex]A(y)(y+2) + B(y)(y-3) + C(y+2)(y-3) = 4y^2 - 7y - 12[/tex]

[tex]A(y^{2} + 2y) + B(y^{2} - 3y) + C(y^{2} - y - 6) = 4y^2 - 7y - 12[/tex]

[tex](A + B + C)y^{2} + (2A - 3B - C)y - 6C = 4y^2 - 7y - 12[/tex]If we want A, B and C to be constants, we compare each term with one another (equality of polynomials theorem). We find C = 2, and then we get [tex]2A - 3B - 2 = -7[/tex] and [tex]A + B + 2 = 4[/tex]. Now we have two unknowns with two equations and we solve.
 
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What Werg22 is talking about is setting the coefficients of the same powers equal.


Another very nice method is, since the equation must be true for all x, to take specific values for x. Since the left hand side of the equation Werg22 gave you involve factors y, y+2, and y- 3, let y= 0, -2, and 3 in succesion. Your equations become:
x= 0 0+ 0+ C(2)(-3)= -12 so C= 2
x=-2 0+ B(-2)(-5)+ 0= 4(-2)2- 7(-2)- 12= 16+14-12= 18 so B= 9/5
x= 3 A(3)(5)+ 0+ 0= 4(3)2-7(3)-12= 36- 21-12= 3 so A= 1/5.
 

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