How can knowing parallax of a farther object help with finding a nearer object?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of parallax and its application in determining the distance to a nearby object using a farther object as a reference. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and practical implications of this method, particularly in the context of surveying and astronomy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a reference object at a greater distance can aid in determining the distance to a nearer object without knowing the distance to the farther object.
  • Another participant suggests that the farther object serves as a stationary reference, allowing for a direct measurement of parallax on the nearer object, even if the distance to the farther object is unknown.
  • A third participant clarifies that the "farther object" refers to a background object far enough away that it does not exhibit noticeable parallax, thus simplifying the measurement process.
  • A detailed example is provided where a surveyor measures the position of a nearby tree relative to distant mountains to calculate the tree's distance using trigonometry.
  • In astronomy, the nearby star is likened to the tree, while the background stars are considered fixed due to their great distance, with the baseline being the diameter of Earth's orbit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the role of the farther object as a reference point, but there remains confusion and differing interpretations regarding the implications of not knowing the distance to the farther object. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the professor's statement or its practical applications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which parallax measurements are effective, particularly the distances involved and the significance of the baseline used in calculations.

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my professor kind of off-handedly said something along the lines of "Parallex can help you find the distance to a nearby object if you have a farther one as a reference." I think he means general, so I've been assuming that our farther object is so far that parallex shifts are ignored.

I mean, I know this means we can figure out that our baseline isn't big enough to help in determining the distance, but I kind of fail to see how having just a "reference" and not a distance to a farther object can help with finding the nearer object...

Thanks in advance.
 
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I think he means that the further object is what you are comparing the nearer object to. At large distances you can just say the object is stationary and get a direct reading of parallax on the nearer object. Even though you don't know the distance to the further object it just doesn't matter if you can't even measure the parallax because it's so small.
 
See, this is why I was confused by what he said. I wrote down what he said as "explain how parallex can help find the distance to a nearby object if you have a farther object as a reference."
 
By "farther object" he meant a background object that is far enough away that it doesn't have a perceptible parallax of its own.

Parallax is a shift in the apparent position of a foreground object relative to the background, due to the changing vantage point of the observer.

Say if you're a surveyor and you want to find the distance to a tree that is a few miles away. Observe where it appears relative to some background mountains that are tens or hundreds of miles away. Now strike off 100 paces in some direction perpendicular to your line of sight to the tree (or an even longer baseline if you need to be really accurate) and record where the tree appears relative to the background mountains again. Find the angle between these two apparent positions. Using trig, you can now calculate the distance to the tree.

In astronomy, the foreground object (tree) is a nearby star, at most a few kpc away (or farther if you can measure really small angles). The background objects are the background stars, so far away that they appear "fixed". The baseline is the diameter of Earth's orbit.
 
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