How can one prove P(τ)S(τ) = S(τ)P(0)?

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The discussion revolves around proving the equality P(τ)S(τ) = S(τ)P(0) for defined operators S(τ) and P(τ) applied to a function u. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and operator theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the shift operator S(τ) and the truncation operator P(τ) and asserts the equality P(τ)S(τ) = S(τ)P(0) for every τ ≥ 0, seeking a proof.
  • Another participant suggests that the proof seems straightforward and prompts the examination of the expressions for S(τ)P(0) and P(τ)S(τ) applied to a function u.
  • A different participant attempts to compute P(τ)S(τ)u(t) and S(τ)P(0)u(t) but finds discrepancies, indicating that the results do not align as expected.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the last equation presented, providing an alternative interpretation of S(τ)P(0)u(t) and expressing confusion over the conditions that lead to the equality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the computations related to the operators, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing interpretations of the operators' actions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note specific conditions under which the operators are evaluated, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions and definitions of the operators that may affect the proof.

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Assume u:R\rightarrow C^n and define shift operator S(\tau) with

S(\tau)u(t)=u(t-\tau)

and truncation operator P(\tau) with

P(\tau)u(t)=u(t) for t\leq\tau and 0 for t>\tau

Then P(\tau)S(\tau)=S(\tau)P(0) for every \tau>=0.

Can someone please prove last statement..
 
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Looks like pretty direct computation. If u(t) is any such function, then what isSD(\tau)u? What is P(\tau)S(\tau)u? Then turn around and find S(\tau)P(0)u.
 
Yes, I tried that, and it just doesn't fit..

P(\tau)S(\tau)u(t)=P(\tau)u(t-\tau)=u(t-\tau) if t-\tau<=\tau and 0 for t-\tau>\tau

S(\tau)P(0)u(t)=S(\tau)u(t) for t<=0 and 0 otherwise=u(t-\tau) if t<=0 and 0 otherwise..

Well, something's got to be wrong here, but I can't see what..
 
I think your last equation is wrong. As, if we have:

$$P(0)u(t)=u(t) \mbox{ if } t\leq 0 \mbox{ and } 0 \mbox{ otherwise }$$

than:

$$S(\tau)P(0)u(t)=u(t-\tau) \mbox{ if } t-\tau\leq 0 \mbox{ and } 0 \mbox{ if } t-\tau>0$$

Still, I'm not able to prove the statement as in the first case you have $$t-\tau\leq\tau$$ and in this case there is $$t-\tau\leq 0$$. :-p I'm sorry...
 

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