How can vector calculus 'del' relationships be derived using other identities?

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The discussion centers around the derivation of vector calculus "del" relationships, specifically the identity involving the divergence of a product of a scalar and a vector field. Participants explore whether these relationships can be derived using other vector calculus identities or methods, such as the Kronecker delta or permutation epsilon, drawing parallels to trigonometric identities.

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  • One participant requests knowledge or articles on deriving vector calculus "del" relationships, likening it to deriving trigonometric identities through algebraic manipulation.
  • Another participant suggests that using x, y, z components for the vector allows for rearrangements to prove the identity in question.
  • A third participant claims that many curl, divergence, and gradient identities can be proven using index notation, providing a specific example involving the curl of the curl identity.
  • This example includes detailed index manipulations using the epsilon and delta symbols to demonstrate the identity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a singular method for deriving the "del" relationships, as multiple approaches are suggested, and the discussion remains open-ended.

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The discussion includes various mathematical techniques and assumptions that may not be fully explored or agreed upon, such as the reliance on index notation and the specific properties of the Kronecker delta and permutation epsilon.

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hey all!

i was hoping someone could either state an article or share some knowledge with a way (if any) to derive the vector calculus "del" relationships. i.e. $$ \nabla \cdot ( \rho \vec{V}) = \rho (\nabla \cdot \vec{V}) + \vec{V} \cdot (\nabla\rho)$$

now i do understand this to be like the product rule but is there any way to derive this in a similar fashion to other vector calculus identities, perhaps using the Kronecker delta or the permutation epsilon?

as an example, i can derive almost any trig identity using $$e^{i \theta}=\cos \theta+i \sin \theta$$ by making changes to \theta, perhaps letting \theta = \alpha + \beta and then equating real and imaginary parts and doing a little bit of algebra.

is there anything like this for vector identities (perhaps not a base equation, but a method?)

thanks for your help!
 
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If you use x,y,z components for the vector then do some rearrangements you can prove it.
 
Pretty much every curl, divergence, and gradient identity can be proven easily and elegantly using indices. For example, consider the very useful formula ##\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{\xi}) = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec{\xi}) - \vec{\nabla}^2 \vec{\xi}##.

We have ##(\vec{\nabla} \times (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{\xi}))^i \\= \epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}(\epsilon_{krl}\partial^{r}\xi^{l}) \\= (\delta^{i}_{r}\delta^{j}_{l} - \delta^{j}_{r}\delta^{i}_{l})\partial_{j}\partial^{r}\xi^{l} \\= \partial^{i}\partial_{l}\xi^{l} - \partial_{r}\partial^{r}\xi^{i}\\ = (\vec{\nabla}(\vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec{\xi}))^i - (\vec{\nabla}^2\vec{\xi})^i##
as desired.
 
thanks wannabe Newton
 

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