How Can Vector Calculus Help Solve a Complex Maxwell Equations Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a complex problem involving Maxwell's Equations and vector calculus. The original poster is attempting to derive an expression for the force per unit volume in a region with charges and currents, using various identities and equations from electromagnetism.

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Hi, i am solving a problem about Maxwell Equation that invoves a lot of Vector Calculus, i have a partial solution for it but i have a few terms missing :cry: , i appreciate any help in this. Thanks

The problem is the following

Starting with the expression of the force by volume unit over a free space region with charges and currents:
[itex] F_{v}=\rho E+J\timesB[/itex]
and using Maxwell's Equations:
[itex] <br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \nabla \cdot \mathop E\limits^ \to = \frac{\rho }{{ \in _0 }} \\ <br /> \nabla \times \mathop E\limits^ \to = - \frac{{\partial \mathop B\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \\ <br /> \nabla \cdot \mathop B\limits^ \to = 0 \\ <br /> \nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to = \mu _0 \mathop J\limits^ \to + \in _0 \mu _0 \frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> <br /> [/itex]
and the following vectorial identity:
[itex] <br /> \mathop B\limits^ \to \times \nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to = \nabla ({\textstyle{1 \over 2}}B^2 ) - (\mathop B\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop B\limits^ \to [/itex],

Show that:
[itex] <br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \mathop {F_v }\limits^ \to = - \in _0 \frac{\partial }{{\partial t}}(\mathop E\limits^ \to \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) + \in _0 \mathop E\limits^ \to \nabla \cdot \mathop E\limits^ \to - \frac{1}{2} \in _0 \nabla (E^2 ) + \in _0 (\mathop E\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop E\limits^ \to \\ <br /> {\rm{ + }}\frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}\mathop B\limits^ \to \nabla \cdot \mathop B\limits^ \to - \frac{1}{{2\mu _0 }}\nabla \mathop {(B^2 ) + }\limits^{} \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\mathop B\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop B\limits^ \to \\ <br /> \end{array}[/itex]

Now, let me show you my partial solution:

First, by Maxwell Equations, i get J:
[itex] <br /> \mathop J\limits^ \to = \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) - \in _0 \frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}}[/itex]

And i replace it in the first equation for [itex]F_{v}[/itex] to get:
[itex] \[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \mathop F\limits^ \to _v = \rho \mathop E\limits^ \to + \left( {\frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) - \in _0 \frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}}} \right) \times \mathop B\limits^ \to \\ <br /> {\rm{ }} = \rho \mathop E\limits^ \to + \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) \times \mathop B\limits^ \to - \in _0 (\frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \]<br /> [/itex]
Changing the order of the cross product (the sign changes), then
[itex] \[<br /> \mathop F\limits^ \to _v = \rho \mathop E\limits^ \to - \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\mathop B\limits^ \to \times \nabla \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) - \in _0 (\frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \times \mathop B\limits^ \to {\rm{)}}<br /> \]<br /> [/itex]
Now i can use the vectorial identity, thus:
[itex] \[<br /> = \rho \mathop E\limits^ \to - \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\nabla ({\textstyle{1 \over 2}}B^2 ) - (\mathop B\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop B\limits^ \to ) - \in _0 (\frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \times \mathop B\limits^ \to {\rm{) }}<br /> \]<br /> [/itex]

Also, from Maxwell equations:
[itex] \rho = (\nabla \cdot \mathop E\limits^ \to ) \in _0 [/itex]
and replacing it into the last equation for [itex]F_{v}[/itex], i get:
[itex] \mathop F\limits^ \to _v = \mathop E\limits^ \to (\nabla \cdot \mathop E\limits^ \to ) \in _0 - \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\nabla ({\textstyle{1 \over 2}}B^2 ) - (\mathop B\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop B\limits^ \to ) - \in _0 (\frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \times \mathop B\limits^ \to {\rm{) }}[/itex]
Some terms of what i should get can be seen already, but i have another terms missing. My last step is the following, what you think i should do to get the missing terms?
[itex] \mathop {F_v }\limits^ \to = - \in _0 (\frac{{\partial \mathop E\limits^ \to }}{{\partial t}} \times \mathop B\limits^ \to ) + \in _0 (\mathop E\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop E\limits^ \to - \frac{1}{{2\mu _0 }}\nabla \mathop {(B^2 ) + }\limits^{} \frac{1}{{\mu _0 }}(\mathop B\limits^ \to \cdot \nabla )\mathop B\limits^ \to [/itex]

¿What should I do to get the missing terms?
I think I must develop the first term in the last equation, but I don’t know how, can you help me?

I appreciate any help. Thanks a lot.
 
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Hi gjfelix2006, welcome to PhysicsForums.

First of all, please don't double post. I see you've made a duplicate thread in the other subforum as well. Also, to make it easier for those who wish to help, you might want to read https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997" thread which explains how to use LaTeX mathematical typesetting. That way you needn't wait till your attachment is approved.
 
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I am sorry for my double post, i am new here and i don't know how to erase one of them, i made a double post because i don't know if my problem is a basic problem or an advanced problem. So sorry, if you can tell me how to erase it, i'll appreciate. Bye
 
I haven't followed your math thru but it looks like that you are missing
3 terms. The one with del dot B is obviously zero from Maxwell's
equations. Try writing a one dimensional version of the other two terms
and I think that they will also cancel out to zero!
 
Thanks a lot for your help. I have solved the problem already. Thanks J Hann.
 

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