How can we determine the age of ancient substances using radiocarbon dating?

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The discussion revolves around the method of determining the age of ancient substances using radiocarbon dating, specifically focusing on the decay rates of carbon-14 and the calculations involved in estimating age based on these rates. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to radioactive decay.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving the decay rate of an ancient substance and seeks clarification on how to approach calculations related to radioactive decay.
  • Another participant explains that disintegration per minute per gram refers to the number of radioactive carbon-14 atoms decaying into stable nitrogen-14 atoms, emphasizing the relationship between mass and decay rate.
  • A further contribution describes the process of carbon-14 creation and decay, noting that after each half-life, the amount of carbon-14 decreases exponentially.
  • A participant shares a graph illustrating the decay process, indicating that measuring the remaining carbon-14 allows for age estimation of the sample.

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Participants generally agree on the principles of radioactive decay and the method of using disintegration rates for age estimation, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the initial problem presented.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific calculations and assumptions related to the decay rates and half-lives mentioned in the examples. The discussion does not clarify the exact relationship between the decay rates provided and the age estimation process.

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I was doing a question which gave the decay rate of the ancient substance as 13.2dpm. The question asked that assuming living plants now has a disintegration rate of 15.3 dpm, and the half-life of carbon-14 is 5730 years, what is the age of the ancient substance.

I went on the internet, and got a question similar to this:
Charcoal @ stone Henge has C14 in concentration which produced 8.2dpm/gram
normal C14 from a tree is 13.5 dpm/g
half life of C14 is 5568 years,
what is the age of the charcoal.
There was a solution on the website which went something like this:

Law of radioactive decay:
Radioactive decay at rate that is proportional to the amount of radioactive material present.

d/dt (decay(t)) = -kdecay(t)
t=0 at the time when stone henge is built
decay(0) = 13.5
decay(t) = 13.5 x 10^(-kt)
13.5x10^(-k5568)=0.5(13.5)
Then I just got so confused...
Please explain how exactly to start a question regarding radioactive decay and what is disintegration per minute per gram?
 
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as far as the last part, what is disintegration per minute per gram -

its just how many radioactive c-14 atoms are disintegrating into stable N-14 atoms per minute, per gram. If you have twice as many grams, there will be twice as many radioactive decays going on.

The radioactive c14 is created by a reaction with the sun's rays and normal nitrogen in the atmosphere. A plant absorbs this radioactive carbon through photosynthesis while it is alive. When it dies this C14 begins to decay. After 5730 years, half of it will be decayed. After another 5730 years another half will be decayed (1/4 of the orginal amount). Then 1/8 , 1/16 etc.

So its an exponential curve when you plot out how many disintegrations are occurring at different dates. That's what those formulas represent. So plug the nums in and you should come up with something.
 
Here is a graph of the decay. At the very left side the tree has just died. They know about how much C14 is in it at that time. My measuring how much C14 is in it years after, you can approx its age. You measure this by counting how many disintigrations per minuit per gram are occurring.


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use this site for the math

http://math.usask.ca/emr/examples/expdeceg.html
 
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thank you!
 

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