Date An Object Using Carbon Dating, Beta Decay

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The discussion revolves around determining the age of an ancient wooden tool using carbon dating, specifically focusing on the beta decay of carbon-14. Participants are analyzing the decay rate and the initial amount of carbon-14 in the sample, given the half-life and the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in living plants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore calculations involving the decay constant and the initial number of radioactive nuclei. There is discussion on the correct interpretation of the ratio of carbon isotopes and how to calculate the number of carbon-12 atoms to derive the initial amount of carbon-14. Some participants question the relationship between the rate of electron emission and decay rates.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on recalculating the initial number of carbon-14 atoms based on the number of carbon-12 atoms. There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the ratios of isotopes and the implications for the calculations. Some clarity has emerged regarding the calculations, but confusion remains about the relationship between carbon-14 and carbon-12 in the context of decay.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with unit consistency in their calculations and the need to clarify the interpretation of decay rates in relation to the observed electron emissions. There is also mention of a typo affecting the calculations, which has led to further discussion on the correct approach to finding the initial quantities of isotopes.

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Homework Statement


An old wooden tool, containing 75.0 grams of carbon, is found in an ancient tomb. The tool emits 500 electrons/minute from the beta decay of 146C. How old is the wood from which the tool was constructed? Given: The half-life of 146C is 5730 years, the ratio of 146C to 126C in living plants is 1.30 x 10-12, 1 year = 3.15576 x 107s, NA= 6.0221415 x 1023atoms/gram-mole.

Homework Equations


R = \lambdaN = \lambdaN0e-\lambdat = R0e-\lambdat
R = rate of decay, \lambda = decay constant, N0 = # of radioactive nuclei at t=0, N = number of radioactive nuclei now, R0 = decay rate at t=0

T1/2 = ln|2|/\lambda
T1/2 = half life

# of atoms of AZX = N = m * NA / A
m = mass of sample, A = atomic mass of element, Z is atmoic # of element, N = number of atoms, NA = Avogadro's Constant

The Attempt at a Solution



R = 500
N0 = 75 * 1.3*10-12 * NA / 14 = 4.194*1012
T1/2 = ln|2|/\lambda - > \lambda= ln|2|/T1/2 = 3.83*10-12
R = 500 = \lambdaN --> N = 1.305*1014
R = \lambdaN0e-\lambdat --> Solve for t
I get t=3.0863*104years

The correct answer is: 6.7*103 years
 
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breakingaway said:
N0 = 75 * 1.3*10-13 * NA / 14 = 4.194*1012
If the ratio 1.3*10-12 is the ratio of the number of C14 to C12, then you would first want to find the number of C12 and then multiply by 1.3*10-12.

R = 500 = \lambdaN --> N = 1.305*1014
It's a good idea to carry along your units in the calculation. I think you'll see that the units are mismatched here.
 
TSny said:
If the ratio 1.3*10-12 is the ratio of the number of C14 to C12, then you would first want to find the number of C12 and then multiply by 1.3*10-12.


It's a good idea to carry along your units in the calculation. I think you'll see that the units are mismatched here.

The 10-13 was a typo. I'm still having issues with this problem. I tried it again doing this:

N0 = 75g * 1.3*10-12 * (6.022*1023)gram-mol / (14gram-mol) = 4,19 * 1012

T1/2 = ln|2| / \lambda, solving for \lambda gives \lambda = 3.833*10-12

R=\lambdaN0e-\lambdat solving for t.
Plugging in R as 500minutes / (60seconds/minute) = 8.3333 decays/second.
This is giving me 7.1455 * 103 years.

I think my mistake might be that 500 electrons/minute doesn't equal 500 decays/minute?
 
breakingaway said:
I think my mistake might be that 500 electrons/minute doesn't equal 500 decays/minute?

I think that's ok.

Try calculating No as

N0 = 75g * 1.3*10-12 * (6.022*1023)gram-mol / (12gram-mol)

Think about why you would want to calculate it this way.
 
TSny said:
I think that's ok.

Try calculating No as

N0 = 75g * 1.3*10-12 * (6.022*1023)gram-mol / (12gram-mol)

Think about why you would want to calculate it this way.

I did this, and got the correct answer, but I am still somewhat confused as to why.

My thought was that the C14 is the radioactive isotope, I should be trying to determine how much C14 is currently still present. To find that I need to figure out how much has decayed into C12. So I know the ratio at t=0, which let's me solve for N0. Why would I solve for N0 as C12 instead of C14 if C14 is the radioactive one?

Also, a huge thank you for the help!
 
(75g / 12g mol-1) * (6.022*1023 atoms mol-1) gives the number of C12 atoms in the 75 g sample. You then multiply this by 1.3*10-12 to get the number of C14 atoms that were originally present in the 75 g sample.
 
TSny said:
(75g / 12g mol-1) * (6.022*1023 atoms mol-1) gives the number of C12 atoms in the 75 g sample. You then multiply this by 1.3*10-12 to get the number of C14 atoms that were originally present in the 75 g sample.

Ah, OK that makes sense now. Thank you. I'm guessing that since there are so few C14 atoms, its fair to make the assumption that the entire 75g sample is C12 when finding the number of C12 atoms?
 
breakingaway said:
Ah, OK that makes sense now. Thank you. I'm guessing that since there are so few C14 atoms, its fair to make the assumption that the entire 75g sample is C12 when finding the number of C12 atoms?

Yes, that's right. Good.
 

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