How Can We Prove That the Exponential Function is Always Positive?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the exponential function is always positive, specifically focusing on the series representation of the exponential function and its properties. Participants explore the implications of the series and its convergence, particularly in relation to the behavior of the function for both positive and negative values of x.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to prove the positivity of the exponential function, including induction and the use of Taylor series. Some express challenges in proving certain inequalities and question the validity of assumptions made during the proof process.

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There is ongoing exploration of different approaches, with some participants suggesting the use of the Lagrange form of the Taylor series remainder. Others reflect on the difficulties encountered when extending proofs from one case to another, particularly when dealing with negative values of x. While some guidance has been offered, no consensus has been reached on a definitive proof.

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Participants note the complexity of proving the positivity of the series for all x, especially when considering the behavior of the series as n increases. There is mention of specific values of x that complicate the proof, indicating that assumptions about the series' behavior may not hold universally.

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[SOLVED] Showing exp is positive...

... well not quite. This isn't actually homework, but here's what I'd like to prove:
\forall n \in \mathbb{N} : \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} \ge 0.

I tried going about it through induction, but got into trouble quite early on: I couldn't prove that
\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+1)}\frac{x^k}{k!} = \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} + \frac{x^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!} + \frac{x^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} \ge 0,
as using
\sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} \ge 0
here I'd get
\frac{x^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!} + \frac{x^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} \ge 0,
which cannot be proven as it's false.

So obviously I'm in need of a different viewpoint. My brain is all tangled up, I do hope the problem isn't as easy as it looks at a first glance.
 
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Well try bringing the 2 fractions to the same base by saying that (2n+2)!=(2n+2)(2n+1)!
 
Which equation are you talking about? I've tried that plenty before, to no avail.

I forgot to mention in the first post that I managed to show that
\frac{x^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!} + \frac{x^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} \ge -\frac{(2n+1)^{2n+1}}{(2n+2)!},
but that lead to nowhere as the expression
\sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} \ge \frac{(2n+1)^{2n+1}}{(2n+2)!}
does not hold.
 
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Try this. The Lagrange form of the Taylor series remainder is R(2n)(x)=exp(y)*x^(2n+1)/(2n+1)! for some y between 0 and x. So if I call your series P(2n)(x), then P(2n)(x)+R(2n)(x)=exp(x). Clearly you have nothing to worry about if x>0. If x<0 then R(2n)(x)<0, but exp(x)>0. Reach a conclusion about P(2n)(x).
 
I'd start with S(1) = \sum_{k=0}^{2}{x^k}/{k!} = 1 + x + x^2/2. Assume x < 0, then show S(1) > 0 because the first and the third terms trump the second. Then generalize to S(n).
 
Dick said:
Try this. The Lagrange form of the Taylor series remainder is R(2n)(x)=exp(y)*x^(2n+1)/(2n+1)! for some y between 0 and x. So if I call your series P(2n)(x), then P(2n)(x)+R(2n)(x)=exp(x). Clearly you have nothing to worry about if x>0. If x<0 then R(2n)(x)<0, but exp(x)>0. Reach a conclusion about P(2n)(x).

My thinking in the first post works for x > 0, but runs into trouble when x < 0 (More precisely, everything except -2n - 2 < x < 0 should work out directly (I haven't actually tried to prove that the assertion holds in the mentioned region separately, maybe that'll work)). You confronted this difficulty with a quite involved theorem about Lagrange remainders and the properties of exp. Although correct, I'm not completely satisfied: I'd rather have the proof not relying on the properties of exp.

EnumaElish said:
I'd start with S(1) = \sum_{k=0}^{2}{x^k}/{k!} = 1 + x + x^2/2. Assume x < 0, then show S(1) > 0 because the first and the third terms trump the second. Then generalize to S(n).

This is indeed exactly what I've done in the first post. As I pointed out, the difficulty started when trying to prove the implication S(n) => S(n+1).
 
Päällikkö said:
My thinking in the first post works for x > 0, but runs into trouble when x < 0 (More precisely, everything except -2n - 2 < x < 0 should work out directly (I haven't actually tried to prove that the assertion holds in the mentioned region separately, maybe that'll work)). You confronted this difficulty with a quite involved theorem about Lagrange remainders and the properties of exp. Although correct, I'm not completely satisfied: I'd rather have the proof not relying on the properties of exp.

I don't consider Taylor series remainder terms to be be rocket science, but maybe there is a more direct approach. I wish you luck in finding it. I couldn't come up with anything.
 
Päällikkö said:
This is indeed exactly what I've done in the first post. As I pointed out, the difficulty started when trying to prove the implication S(n) => S(n+1).
That must be because any "excess positivity" in S(n) actually gets to be used in S(n+1) to soak up (cancel out) the additional negativity introduced (together with some additional positivity) while one goes from n to n+1.

I.e. you have to assume not only that S(n) > 0 (which is what your attempt at induction assumes), but actually S(n) > M(n) > 0 so that S(n+1) > 0.
 
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EnumaElish said:
That must be because any "excess positivity" in S(n) actually gets to be used in S(n+1) to soak up (cancel out) the additional negativity introduced (together with some additional positivity) while one goes from n to n+1.

I.e. you have to assume not only that S(n) > 0 (which is what your attempt at induction assumes), but actually S(n) > M(n) > 0 so that S(n+1) > 0.

If you'd read my posts, you would have noticed that that's what I've tried. To recap: there exists an x such that
\frac{x^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!} + \frac{x^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} = -\frac{(2n+1)^{2n+1}}{(2n+2)!},
but
\sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} \ge \frac{(2n+1)^{2n+1}}{(2n+2)!}
does not hold for all x. That is, one cannot find an M(n) independent of x (of the kind that would help with the proof). This makes the proof trickier.

EDIT: Got it.
 
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Can you show the proof; I want to check whether my proof is same or not.
 
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It relies on the fact that:
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+2)}\frac{x^k}{k!} = \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!}

The rest should easily follow.
 
  • #12
The functional properties of the exponential function, that Exp(x+y)=Exp(x)*Exp(y) and Exp(0)=1 are sufficient to prove that Exp(x) are greater than 0 for ALL x, since Exp(-x)=Exp(0)/Exp(x) for arbitrary positive x.
 
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Päällikkö said:
It relies on the fact that:
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+2)}\frac{x^k}{k!} = \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!}

The rest should easily follow.

Mine is same.
 
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Sourabh N said:
Mine is same.

So to let the rest of us catch up, how did you do it using only that?
 
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\forall n \in \mathbb{N} : \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} &gt; 0 \quad (1)
I changed the greater than or equal sign to a greater than (might as well go for the stronger version as the proof doesn't differ one bit).
So :
\sum_{k=0}^{2}\frac{x^k}{k!} = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2} &gt; 0.

Therefore we may assume that (1) holds for some n. Now
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+1)}\frac{x^k}{k!} = \sum_{k=0}^{2n}\frac{x^k}{k!} &gt; 0
(Apparently I have a typo in my last post in the indices, that might be confusing)

It follows that the function has exactly one minimum, at the point x0:
\frac{d}{dx}\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+1)}\frac{x_0^k}{k!} = 0

With the above equation, we can drop a whole lot of terms from the original:
\sum_{k=0}^{2(n+1)}\frac{x^k}{k!} &gt; \sum_{k=0}^{2(n+1)}\frac{x_0^k}{k!} = \frac{x_0^{2n+2}}{(2n+2)!} &gt; 0

This holds for all x.
 
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Thanks.
 

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