How Can You Create a Long-Distance Linear Electromagnetic Field in Open Air?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a long-distance linear electromagnetic field in open air. Participants explore various interpretations of "linear" electromagnetic fields, potential methods for generating such fields, and the limitations of existing technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on what is meant by "linear" in the context of electromagnetic fields.
  • One participant suggests that a strong, large source is necessary but acknowledges the broad nature of the question.
  • Another participant proposes that a linear electromagnetic field could be akin to a laser, while others clarify that they are specifically discussing electromagnetic fields.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of maintaining a strong electromagnetic field over long distances in open air, with one participant suggesting that a large tunnel filled with electromagnets might be required.
  • Discussion includes the concept of using a Hall effect thruster, but participants note its limitations in range.
  • One participant explains that electromagnetic fields radiated from a point source will diminish in strength according to the inverse square law, and suggests that a waveguide could help achieve a linear field.
  • Another participant discusses the idea of using lasers to create an ionized channel that could potentially serve as a waveguide for electromagnetic pulses, although concerns about absorption and heat conversion are raised.
  • There is a suggestion that constructing large towers may be necessary to achieve the desired electromagnetic field configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and methods for creating a long-distance linear electromagnetic field. No consensus is reached, and multiple competing ideas are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the strength of electromagnetic fields over distance, the need for specific configurations, and the potential absorption of waves by materials in the environment. These factors contribute to the complexity of the proposed solutions.

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how could i make a linear electromagnetic field to a great distance
 
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What exactly do you mean with "linear"?
Make a large, strong source. The question is way to broad for a more specific answer.
 
A Electro magnetic field that is in a straight line that could go to a great distance
 
Ajbot said:
A Electro magnetic field that is in a straight line that could go to a great distance

Are you talking about something like a laser?
 
no a electromagnetic field
 
"A electromagnetic field" is extremely vague. You're going to need to be more specific if you want help.
 
something like this.that could work in open air
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No, nothing like that can be built to create an electric or magnetic field that doesn't fall off in strength over such a large distance in the open air. You'd need a large tunnel filled with electromagnets in order to generate a 1 km long magnetic field, and I'm not sure it's even possible to do something similar with an electric field.
 
What about Hall effect thruster
 
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A linear electromagnetic field might be interpreted as one that did not fall off with distance. When radiated through space from a point source, the field will fall off as the inverse square of the distance. By confining the EM field to a waveguide, a 'linear' field can be achieved. A waveguide is simply a long skinny cavity bounded by metal.
 
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Ajbot said:
What about Hall effect thruster
A Hall effect thruster is still rather short range, you're probably better off trying a high energy cutting laser as a guide for pulsed em waves (I say a high energy cutting laser because it should have a slight atmospheric blooming effect) but I don't know if it would work at a distance or even work at all.
 
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EM pulse will not follow ionized channel. Ionized channel will absorb the EM wave and simply convert it to heat. However, if you were to make a ring of lasers that could ionize a cylindrical shell maybe 10 cm in diameter extending to outer space, then the interior might be ionization free for a few milliseconds. We would have a conductive waveguide that could efficiently couple an EM pulse of comparable wavelength to 10 cm, or about 3 GHz. Once the EM wavefront left the far end of the tube, it would then obey the law of squares in falling off in intensity.
 
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I didn't think about the conversion of the em wave to heat but the laser may work.
 
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That is assuming the lasers don't absorb and convert the em wave before it reaches its destination.
 
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Ajbot said:
something like this.that could work in open airView attachment 73793
To get a field that is not completely different from your sketch, you would need objects significantly larger than 100m on both sides (~500m is better). It is possible, but you would have to construct something like multiple large towers.
 

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