How can you find out the amount of hawking radiation a black hole exhibits?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of Hawking radiation emitted by black holes, focusing on the formulas and methods used to derive the temperature and power radiated. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical formulations related to black hole thermodynamics.

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  • One participant provides a formula for the temperature of a black hole based on its mass, incorporating constants such as Boltzmann's constant.
  • Another participant questions whether the area in the power formula corresponds to the event horizon's area, suggesting it is the same for both local and distant observers.
  • A participant combines various equations to derive an expression for the power radiated at infinity, providing detailed substitutions for constants and variables.
  • Concerns are raised about discrepancies in the calculated lifetime of a solar mass black hole, with one participant noting that different sources yield varying results despite using similar formulas.
  • One participant mentions the complexity of accurate calculations, indicating that simplifying assumptions can lead to significant variations in results.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and results related to Hawking radiation, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the derived lifetimes or the implications of simplifying assumptions.

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Limitations include potential missing assumptions in the calculations, dependence on specific definitions of constants, and unresolved discrepancies in the results from different sources.

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How can you find out the amount of hawking radiation a black hole exhibits?
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I'm not sure what you want. Numbers?

In terms of general formulae:

A black of mass [itex]M[/itex] has temperature

[tex]T = \frac{\hbar c^3}{8 \pi k G M},[/tex]

where [itex]k[/itex] is Boltzmann's constant.

The Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation by black bodies is

[tex]P = \sigma A T^4,[/tex]

where [itex]\sigma[/itex] is Stefan's constant [itex]A[/itex] is the radiating surface area.

Putting these together gives that a black hole radiates power (mass-energy per unit time) according to

[tex]P = \frac{dE}{dt} = \sigma A \left( \frac{\hbar c^3}{8 \pi k G M} \right)^4.[/itex]<br /> <br /> Detail and extensions of this calculation are in <a href="https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1549655#post1549655"" class="link link--internal">https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1549655#post1549655"</a>.[/tex]
 
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Would it correct to say that A in this equation is the area of the event horizon, this area being the same for a local observer and for an observer at infinity?

If so, we should be able to write

[tex]A = 4 \pi r_s^2 = 4 \pi \left( \frac{2 G M}{c^2}\right)^2[/tex]

eliminating it from the equation. And the radiated power we compute in this manner would be that measured by an observer "at infinity".
 
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Combining the following formulae:

[tex]P = \sigma A T^4,[/tex]

[tex]\sigma = \frac {2 {\pi }^{5}{k}^{4}}{15 {h}^{3}{c}^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]T = \frac {h{c}^{3}}{16 {\pi }^{2}\,kG\,M}[/tex]

[tex]A = 4 \pi r_s^2[/tex]

[tex]r_s = \frac{2GM}{c^2}[/tex]

I get the following expression for P, the power radiated at infinity:

[tex]\frac {h{c}^{6}}{30720 \, {\pi }^{2}{G}^{2}{M}^{2}}[/tex]

where:
h is Planck's constant
c is the speed of light
G is the gravitational constant
[itex]\hbar = h / 2 \pi[/itex]
k is Boltzmann's constant.

Substituting for hbar in terms of h makes the above answer the same as this current wikipedia article, and also http://library.thinkquest.org/C007571/english/advance/core8.htm

The lifetime of the black hole should be Mc^2 / P, where M is the mass of the black hole (Mc^2 is the "energy at infinity" of the black hole, and P is the "power radiated at infinity", so the ratio should be the lifetime of the black hole).

This gives an expression for the lifetime of the black hole of:

[tex]\frac {30720 \,{\pi }^{2}{G}^{2}}{{c}^{4}h} M^3= 2.52\,10^{-16} \frac{s}{kg^3} \,M^3[/tex]

I get a lifetime of a solar mass black hole of 6.3e67 years, however some of the web sources seem to get a different figure in spite of using the same formula(?).
 
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pervect said:
I get a lifetime of a solar mass black hole of 6.3e67 years, however some of the web sources seem to get a different figure in spite of using the same formula(?).

Doing an accurate calculation is a fairly involved business, so books and webpages that make simplifying assumptions get results that range over several orders of magnitude.

I am going to put the details of the simplified calculation in a new thread.
 

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