How Can You Solve for Non-Integral Solutions of the Greatest Integer Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the equation involving the greatest integer function, specifically the equation [x]*[y]=x+y, and determining the intervals for non-integral solutions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of integer and non-integer solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in finding non-integral solutions to the equation [x]*[y]=x+y.
  • Another participant points out that for integer values, the equation simplifies to xy=x+y, identifying integer solutions as (0, 0) and (2, 2).
  • A participant requests a stepwise explanation of the solution process, expressing uncertainty in their own method.
  • One participant explains that the equation can be rearranged to y=x/(x-1) when x is not equal to 1, and discusses the implications of this rearrangement for integer values.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous explanation and explores the substitution of x-1 with k, analyzing cases for k>=1 and k<1 to find corresponding values for y.
  • The discussion includes considerations of how certain values of k lead to non-integral solutions, with some values yielding fractions that decrease.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in progressing to the next part of the problem, indicating a need for further guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the integer solutions identified, but there is ongoing exploration regarding non-integral solutions, and no consensus has been reached on how to approach this aspect of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the greatest integer function and the unresolved nature of non-integral solutions. The discussion does not fully explore all potential cases or provide a comprehensive method for finding non-integral solutions.

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can anyone tell me how to solve for integer solutions of

[x]*[y]=x+y

tell the interval of its non integral solutions

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But [x] = x for all integers x, so the integer solutions of [x][y] = x + y are the same as the integer solutions of xy = x + y, (x, y) in {(0, 0), (2, 2)}.
 
well can you show the step

the answer is (0,0) ,(2,2)

i am looking for good and proper stepwise answer and not guesses , i think my method is very weak ..thats why i am here
 
first, I must say that "Guessing" (and then checking your guess) is a perfectly "good and proper" method! For n an integer, [n]= n so your equation is simply xy= x+ y. You can write this as xy- y= (x-1)y= x or, if x is not 1, y= x/(x-1). If x is not 0, that says x-1 divides x. The only integer x such that x-1 is a factor of x, is x= 2. You can then check x= 1 or x= 0 separately: If x= 1, xy= x+ y becomes y= 1+ y which is never true.; If x= 0, then xy= x+ y becomes 0= 0+ y which is true for y= 0. The only only solutions are x= y= 0 and x= y= 2.
 
i agree to what you said

if you replace x-1=k
y=1+1/k
case 1
k>=1

y=2
no further value of k will do as 1/k is a fraction and goes on to decrease

similiarly you can do k<1

k=-1
y=0

rest all give fraction of decreasing value

ok this much is clear to me but i can't even think of something to start with for next part
 

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