How could electric susceptibilbility depend on position?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric susceptibility and its potential dependence on position, particularly in the context of dielectrics. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and implications of varying susceptibility at boundaries between different materials.

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  • One participant questions the clarity of Griffiths' statement regarding electric susceptibility and suggests it relates to the effective bound surface charge in a homogeneous and isotropic dielectric.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for bound-charge density within the dielectric, noting that it is zero for a constant polarization vector, and discusses the concept of bound-surface charges at the dielectric's boundary.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the polarization vector must be constant within the dielectric to avoid inconsistencies in the displacement field equation.
  • It is noted that the susceptibility may have different values on either side of the boundary between two materials, indicating a potential variation in susceptibility with position.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of electric susceptibility at boundaries, with no consensus reached on the overall dependence of susceptibility on position.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the dielectric materials and the specific conditions under which susceptibility may vary. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of polarization and susceptibility.

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In the statement encircled, what does Griffiths actually mean?
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It's a bit "nebulous". I guess what he considers is the effective (bound) surface charge of a homogeneous and isotropic dielectric.

[edit: corrected in view of #3]
The bound-charge density within the dielectric is
$$\rho=-\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{P},$$
which is 0, for ##\vec{P}=\text{const}##, within the dielectric. Trivially it's also 0 outside the dielectric, where is vacuum, i.e., no charges at all.

At the surface you have, however bound-surface charges, which you get by taking the "surface divergence". Let ##\vec{n}## be the surface-normal unity vector pointing out of the material. Then with a Gaussian pillbox with two sides parallel to the boundary of the dielectric, you get
$$\sigma=-\mathrm{Div} \vec{P}=\vec{n} \cdot \vec{P}.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
which is, for P→=0, within the dielectric
You probably mean ##\vec{P}=\text{constant}## inside the dielectric because if it was zero then ##\vec{D}=\epsilon_0\vec{E}+\vec{P}=\epsilon_0\vec{E}## inside the dielectric which doesn't look right...
 
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At the boundary the susceptibility has different values on the two sides of the boundary.
 
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