How do conduction-band electrons affect heat transfer in conductors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how conduction-band electrons influence heat transfer in conductors, particularly in crystalline materials like metals. Participants explore the mechanisms of heat transfer, including the roles of phonons, electromagnetic interactions, and the behavior of conduction-band electrons in the context of quantum models.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that heat transfer in metals involves conduction and the vibration of quantum oscillators, questioning how energy is transferred between adjacent atoms.
  • Another participant explains that electromagnetic forces between electrons and atoms cause movement, likening the interaction to atoms being connected by springs.
  • A later reply proposes that electromagnetic interactions are mediated by photons, contributing to the excitation of atoms into higher energy levels.
  • It is noted that in solid-state conductors, many electrons are not bound to individual atoms, complicating the interactions compared to gases.
  • One participant asserts that in crystalline iron, conduction is the primary mechanism for heat distribution, while seeking clarification on other contributing factors from a quantum perspective.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of an Einstein solid and emphasizes that oscillators in this model are not independent, highlighting the role of conduction-band electrons in spreading thermal energy.
  • The discussion mentions that textbooks cover this topic extensively, indicating that the conduction-band electrons significantly influence thermal conductivity in relation to electrical conductivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mechanisms of heat transfer, with some focusing on the role of phonons and others emphasizing conduction-band electrons. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact contributions of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the interactions involved in heat transfer in conductors and the limitations of models like the Einstein solid. There is an emphasis on the need to consider material-specific details and the statistical nature of heat in quantum models.

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Hello. I am about to show how heat is transferred through crystals i. e metals



I know that it should be about conduction, and that the single quantum oscillators start vibrating in higher modes, due to the extra energy.


Now is the question: HOW exactly is the energy trasnferred between adjacent atoms,i.e oscillators? Through phonons?

I mean, should we consider the atoms actually TOUCHING each other?
 
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Depends on what level you want this...
The electrons and atoms in a solid exert an electromagnetic force on each other ... so, when one moves, the others get pushed or pulled differently as a result. It is as if the atoms were connected by springs.
 
ok, thanks a lot. So that electromagnetism is exerting force - as photons - to excite the other atom into a higher energy lvl of that quantum oscillator?(in the quantum model)?
 
In the quantum model - heat is about statistics.
But the basic interaction is electromagnetic - so: mediated by photons.
The details depend on the material - for instance, in solid-state conductors, there are a lot of electrons which are not bound to individual atoms. In a gas, the EM interaction will be between whole atoms or molecules and imparts kinetic energy (though may also change some internal energy state such as exciting a bound electron or a molecular rotational or vibrational level.)
Materials get complicated real fast.
 
Ok, but for solid crystalic Iron, the major heat distributor is conduction, through vibrating the atoms and excitiing the oscillators into higher energy modes, and transferring the energy to the neighbours. is this a fair statement? What is the other (less contributing factors).uantum mechanically speaking. Ratio?
 
Oh I see - you are thinking of an Einstein solid?
Now you realize that the oscillators in the model are not independent.
In conductors, you will also need to account for the effect of conduction-band electrons.
Basically the lattice vibrations store most of the thermal energy but are not good at spreading it around - which is why te Einstein model works well for heat capacity.
Free electrons are good for spreading it around.

You realize that whole textbooks are written on this subject right?
http://www.cse.salford.ac.uk/profiles/gsmcdonald/pp/PPLATOResources/h-flap/p11_4t.pdf
... section 4.4 is what you want.

That's for a general solid. (Notice the "can be understood as" in there? It's just a model and should not be taken for "what actually happens".)

In conductors, the conduction-band electrons can often be treated as a (Fermi) gas. What happens when you heat a gas in one place?

The text (linked above) points out that the conduction band electrons play role in thermal conductivity in proportion to the electrical conductivity of the metal. Compare silver with silicon and glass in table 4 - it is a dominant effect.
 

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