How Do Energy and Momentum Conservation Apply to a Mass Sliding Down a Wedge?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a wedge mass and a sliding mass on an incline, focusing on the application of conservation laws for energy and momentum. The scenario is set on a frictionless table, with participants exploring how these principles interact as the mass slides down the wedge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of horizontal momentum, questioning the relationship between the velocities of the wedge and the sliding mass. There are attempts to formulate energy conservation equations, with some confusion regarding the treatment of horizontal and vertical components of motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various interpretations of the conservation equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to consider both horizontal and vertical components, but no consensus has been reached on the correct formulation of the energy conservation equation.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the treatment of kinetic energy for both the wedge and the sliding mass, as well as the need to clarify the roles of different velocity components in the conservation equations.

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A wedge mass M is at rest on horizontal frictionless table. Mass m is on wedge. There is no fricton between parrticle and wedge. Height of wedge = h and angle of incline= theta. The massm slides down wedge from rest and wedge slides left on table. How does linear momentum conservation apply?
The question also asks Hows does the energy conservation apply in this situation. Write down an equation expressing the consequence of energy conservation.(Hint the square of a velocity is equal to the sum of the squares of its components)

3. Can you just say that the horizontal components of the momentum must be constant before and after the mass m begins to slide? Therefore mvcos(theta) = Mu where u is the horizontal velocity of the wedge wrt the table and vcos(theta)is the horizontal component of the mass m wrt to the table?

Does the potential energy mgh = (Mu^2)/2 + (m(vcos(theat))^2)/2

Bit confused!
 
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captainjack2000 said:
Can you just say that the horizontal components of the momentum must be constant before and after the mass m begins to slide? Therefore mvcos(theta) = Mu where u is the horizontal velocity of the wedge wrt the table and vcos(theta)is the horizontal component of the mass m wrt to the table?
Looks ok to me.
captainjack2000 said:
Does the potential energy mgh = (Mu^2)/2 + (m(vcos(theat))^2)/2
Why are you only considering the horizontal velocity of the mass?
 
Should I be equating the vertical components to get

mgh = m(vsin(theta))^2/2

What about the kinetic energy of the wedge traveling horizontally?
 
Hootenanny said:
Looks ok to me.

Why are you only considering the horizontal velocity of the mass?

captainjack2000 said:
Should I be equating the vertical components to get

mgh = m(vsin(theta))^2/2

What about the kinetic energy of the wedge traveling horizontally?
You need to consider both the horizontal and vertical components of the mass and the wedge, remember that speed is a scalar quantity and direction doesn't matter.
 
So just to clarify:

You could say mgh = (1/2)mv^2 + (1/2)Mu^2 where v is the velocity of the mass m directed parallel to the slope?
 
captainjack2000 said:
So just to clarify:

You could say mgh = (1/2)mv^2 + (1/2)Mu^2 where v is the velocity of the mass m directed parallel to the slope?
Looks good to me :approve:
 

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