How do I calculate the potential energy of a hanging rope?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy of a hanging rope, focusing on the application of physics principles related to mass and height. The original poster presents a formula for potential energy but expresses confusion regarding the derivation of certain terms within it.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the components of the potential energy formula and questions the origin of specific terms related to the center of mass. Other participants suggest using the center of mass for calculations and clarify how it relates to the potential energy formula.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and clarifications regarding the center of mass. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in reasoning but does not indicate a resolution to the confusion about the formula.

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The discussion includes references to specific variables and terms related to the potential energy of the rope, indicating a need for clarity on the assumptions made regarding the rope's configuration and the definition of the center of mass.

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Hi everyone

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well, the solution should be:

[tex]V=\rho g[(h-h_{2}) \frac {h+h_{2}} {2}+(h-h_{1}) \frac {h-h_{1}}{2}][/tex]

where rho is the density per length of the rope. I don't understand where (h+h2)/2 and (h+h1)/2 come from. When I tried to solve it, my guess for the potential energy (just for one 'side' let'say say) was: [tex]\rho g (h-h_{1})*h[/tex] but that's wrong. Can anyone help me out?

Thanks in advance
 

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Hint: Where's the center of mass of the left hand side?
 
For each side use PE = mgh were h is the position of the centre of mass of m.
 
oops!
 
There was a mistake in my formula:

[tex]V=\rho g[(h-h_{2}) \frac {h+h_{2}} {2}+(h-h_{1}) \frac {h+h_{1}}{2}][/tex]

Thanks for the help. You both say I shall use the center of mass on both sides. I guess that's where the 1/2 comes from. My problem is here, if I want the center of mass of one side, why do I have to add them like (h1+h)/2. I thought If I want to center of mass of the rope on one side I'd had (h-h1)/2. Where's my mistake?
 
You want the location of the center of mass measured from the ground.
 
Yes thank you.I found me error in reasoning. :)
 

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