How do I determine θ'' and tension in a speed-governing mechanism?

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The discussion revolves around determining the angular acceleration θ'' and the tension in a speed-governing mechanism involving a mass and a rod setup. The parameters include mass, length, angular velocity, and initial angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular velocity and the relationship between tension and gravitational force. Questions arise regarding the use of polar coordinates and the interpretation of forces in a non-equilibrium scenario.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and the appropriate frame of reference for analysis. Some guidance has been offered regarding the distinction between inertial and non-inertial frames, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the dimensions of force in the equations presented, and participants are considering the implications of using different frames of reference in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


In the speed-governing mechanism m = 0.2 kg, L = 10cm, (rods AB have negligible mass), w = 500 rpm, θ = 40°,θ' = 0 . Determine θ'' at that instant and the tension in the rod.
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Homework Equations


F=[ω][/2]r

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I calculated ω = 500 rpm * 2π /60 = 52.36 rad/s.
From the vertical components, I determined T*cosθ = mg
So T = 2.56 N
With this, I can calculate the horizontal component of T, but then I have a different ω for the balls and I'm confused. Should I use polar coordinates? If so, how should I start?
 
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EserRose said:
F=[ω][/2]r
What is F here? If it's a force, the dimensions don't match.
EserRose said:
then I have a different ω for the balls
How do you mean? Remember, this is not equilibrium.
 
haruspex said:
What is F here? If it's a force, the dimensions don't match.

Ooos I meant m*ω^2 *r

haruspex said:
How do you mean? Remember, this is not equilibrium.

I see that, so I should find the net force then?
 
EserRose said:
so I should find the net force then?
Sort of.. depends whether you want to use the inertial frame + centripetal view or object frame + centrifugal view.
In the latter case it would be net force; in the former you might describe it as the excess acceleration.
 

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