How do I draw the contour line and gradient of a function at a specific point?

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The discussion revolves around drawing contour lines and gradients of functions at specific points, focusing on two functions: one defined as $\displaystyle{y=f(x_1, x_2)=-0.1x_1^2-0.4x_2^2}$ and the other as $\displaystyle{y=f(x_1, x_2)=4-x_1-\frac{1}{2}x_2}$. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of contour lines and gradients, as well as how to represent these graphically.

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  • One participant derives the contour line for the first function at $y=-2.5$ and expresses it as $x_1^2 + 4x_2^2 = 25$, leading to the conclusion that $x_1 = \pm \sqrt{25 - 4x_2^2}$.
  • Another participant suggests that the contour line represents an ellipse with major and minor axes of 5 and 2.5, respectively, and discusses the relationship between the gradient and contour lines.
  • There is a question regarding the correctness of the gradient vector at the point $(3,-2)$, which is calculated as $\nabla f(3,-2) = \begin{pmatrix}-0.6\\ 1.6\end{pmatrix}$.
  • Participants discuss the graphical representation of the gradient vector, noting that it should be drawn starting from the point of interest rather than the origin.
  • In a separate function, another participant derives the contour line for $y=2$ as $x_2 = 4 - 2x_1$ and calculates the gradient at the point $(1,2)$ as $\nabla f(1,2) = \begin{pmatrix}-1\\ -\frac{1}{2}\end{pmatrix}$.
  • There is a recurring theme of participants questioning the correctness of their calculations and graphical representations.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical derivations presented, but there are uncertainties regarding the graphical representation of the gradients and whether certain points lie on the contour lines. The discussion remains unresolved on some aspects, particularly the graphical interpretations.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the placement of axes and the graphical representation of points and vectors, indicating a need for clarity on these aspects.

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Hey! :o

I want to draw the contour line of the function $\displaystyle{y=f(x_1, x_2)=-0,1x_1^2-0,4x_2^2}$ at $y=-2,5$ and at the point $(3,-2)$ I want to draw the gradient.

We have the following: \begin{equation*} y=-2,5 \Rightarrow -0,1x_1^2-0,4x_2^2=-2,5 \Rightarrow -10\cdot \left (-0,1x_1^2-0,4x_2^2\right )=-10\cdot \left (-2,5\right )\Rightarrow x_1^2+4x_2^2=25 \Rightarrow x_1^2=25-4x_2^2 \\ \Rightarrow x_1=\pm \sqrt{25-4x_2^2} \end{equation*}

So that the root is well-defined it must be \begin{align*}25-4x_2^2\geq 0 &\Rightarrow 5^2-(2x_2)^2\geq 0 \\ &\Rightarrow (5-2x_2)(5+2x_2)\geq 0 \\ &\Rightarrow \left (5-2x_2>0 \text{ and } 5+2x_2 >0 \right )\ \ \text{ or } \ \ \left (5-2x_2<0 \text{ and } 5+2x_2< 0 \right ) \\ &\Rightarrow \left (x_2<\frac{5}{2} \text{ and } x_2 >-\frac{5}{2}\right ) \ \ \text{ or } \ \ \left (x_2>\frac{5}{2} \text{ and } x_2<-\frac{5}{2}\right )\end{align*}
Since it cannot be that $\left (x_2>\frac{5}{2} \text{ and } x_2<-\frac{5}{2}\right )$ it must be $\left (x_2<\frac{5}{2} \text{ and } x_2 >-\frac{5}{2}\right )$.

We get the following table:

$\begin{matrix}
x_2 & -2 & -1 & 0 & 1 & 2\\
x_1 & \pm 3 & \pm \sqrt{21} & \pm 5 & \pm \sqrt{21} & \pm 3
\end{matrix}$
So, the contour line is the following:
[desmos="-10,10,-10,10"]\sqrt{25-4x^2};-\sqrt{25-4x^2};[/desmos]

Is this correct? (Wondering) We have that $f_{x_1}=-0,2x_1$ and $f_{x_2}=-0,8x_2$. So, the gradient is $\nabla f=\begin{pmatrix}-0,2x_1\\ -0,8x_2\end{pmatrix}$.

At the point $(3,-2)$ it is $\nabla f(3,-2)=\begin{pmatrix}-0,6\\ 1,6\end{pmatrix}$.

How can we draw it at the graph above? (Wondering)
 
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Hi mathmari,

Your work looks correct to me, assuming $x_1$ is the vertical axis and $x_2$ is the horizontal axis. Alternatively, you could have recognized that $x_1^2+4x_2^2=25$ is an ellipses with major and minor axis of 5 and 2.5, respectively, to graph it directly.

To draw $(-0.6, 1.6)$, recall that the gradient of a function at a point is perpendicular to the contour lines at that point.
 
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Rido12 said:
Your work looks correct to me, assuming $x_1$ is the vertical axis and $x_2$ is the horizontal axis. Alternatively, you could have recognized that $x_1^2+4x_2^2=25$ is an ellipses with major and minor axis of 5 and 2.5, respectively, to graph it directly.

So, it must be as follows, or not? (Wondering) [desmos="-10,10,-10,10"]x=\sqrt{25-y^2};x=-\sqrt{25-y^2};\left(-0.6,\space1.6\right);[/desmos]
Rido12 said:
To draw $(-0.6, 1.6)$, recall that the gradient of a function at a point is perpendicular to the contour lines at that point.

This point isn't on the contour line. Is this correct? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
So, it must be as follows, or not? (Wondering)

Yup, I agree with your answer. Your first plot was correct also -- it doesn't matter which axis you set as $x_1$ or $x_2$.

mathmari said:
This point isn't on the contour line. Is this correct? (Wondering)

Well, the gradient is a vector. Since we are finding the gradient at a point, namely, $(3,-2)$, we would draw the vector starting from that point, rather than the origin.
 
Rido12 said:
Well, the gradient is a vector. Since we are finding the gradient at a point, namely, $(3,-2)$, we would draw the vector starting from that point, rather than the origin.

Ah ok!

[desmos="-5,5,-5,5"]x=\sqrt{25-4y^2};x=-\sqrt{25-4y^2};\left(3,-2\right);\left(3-0.6t,\space-2+1.6t\right);[/desmos]Is this correct? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Ah ok!

Is this correct? (Wondering)

Good job! :)
 
For the function $\displaystyle{y=f(x_1, x_2)=4-x_1-\frac{1}{2}x_2}$ we want to draw the contour line $y=2$.

We have that \begin{equation*} y=2 \Rightarrow 4-x_1-\frac{1}{2}x_2=2 \Rightarrow \frac{1}{2}x_2=4-x_1-2 \Rightarrow \frac{1}{2}x_2=2-x_1 \Rightarrow x_2=4-2x_1\end{equation*}

So, the contour line is
[desmos="-8,8,-5.5,5.5"]4-2x;[/desmos]

We have that \begin{equation*}f_{x_1}(x_1, x_2)=\frac{\partial{f(x_1, x_2)}}{\partial{x_1}}=-1\end{equation*}
and \begin{equation*}f_{x_2}(x_1, x_2)=\frac{\partial{f(x_1, x_2)}}{\partial{x_2}}=-\frac{1}{2}\end{equation*}

Therefore, \begin{equation*}\nabla f=\begin{pmatrix}f_{x_1}\\ f_{x_2}\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}-1\\ -\frac{1}{2}\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}
and at the point $(1,2)$ we have that \begin{equation*}\nabla f(1,2)=\begin{pmatrix}f_{x_1}(1,2)\\ f_{x_2}(1,2)\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}-1\ -\frac{1}{2}\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}

The gradient at the graph is:
[desmos="-8,8,-5.5,5.5"]4-2x;\left(1-t,\space2-\frac{t}{2}\right);[/desmos]

Is this correct? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Is this correct? (Wondering)

Perfect :)
 
Great! Thank you very much! (Happy)
 

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