MHB Give a basis to get the specific matrix M

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The discussion centers on finding specific bases for linear maps that yield upper triangular and diagonal matrices. For the three given linear maps, participants derive bases that satisfy the conditions for both matrix forms. The conversation also touches on the definition of the transformation matrix with respect to different bases, emphasizing the relationship between the transformation and its matrix representation. Clarifications are sought regarding the notation and definitions of transformation matrices, particularly in relation to the identity transformation. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of linear transformations and matrix representations in different bases.
  • #31
For the last map :

Let $b_2=\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}$, then $\gamma_{\mathcal{B}_1}(\phi_3(b_2))=\gamma_{\mathcal{B}_1}\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}$.
So we get \begin{equation*}\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_1}(\phi_3)=\begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*} which is an upper triangular matrix.There is no basis such that $\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_1}(\phi_3)$ is a diagonal matrix, because the element at the second column and first row has to be non zero to get linearly independent vectors, right?


:unsure:
 
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  • #32
mathmari said:
\begin{align*}\phi_3:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R}, \ \begin{pmatrix}x\\ y\end{pmatrix} \mapsto \begin{pmatrix}y\\ 0\end{pmatrix} \end{align*}
1. Give (if possible) for each $i\in \{1,2,3\}$ a Basis $B_i$ of $\mathbb{R}^2$ such that $M_{B_i}(\phi_i)$ an upper triangular matrix.
2. Give (if possible) for each $i\in \{1,2,3\}$ a Basis $B_i$ of $\mathbb{R}^2$ such that $M_{B_i}(\phi_i)$ an diagonal matrix.
mathmari said:
Let $b_2=\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}$, then $\gamma_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3(b_2))=\gamma_{\mathcal{B}_3}\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}$.
So we get \begin{equation*}\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)=\begin{pmatrix}1 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*} which is an upper triangular matrix.
I've taken the liberty to change $\mathcal{B}_1$ into $\mathcal{B}_3$ in the above quote.
That was what was intended wasn't it? :unsure:

The eigenvalue was $0$ wasn't it?
Shouldn't we have $u_{11}=0$ then?
I don't think we have the correct $\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)$. (Shake)

mathmari said:
There is no basis such that $\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)$ is a diagonal matrix, because the element at the second column and first row has to be non zero to get linearly independent vectors, right?
Correct. (Nod)
 
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  • #33
Klaas van Aarsen said:
The eigenvalue was $0$ wasn't it?
Should we have $u_{11}=0$ then?
I don't think we have the correct $\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)$. (Shake)

Ahh yes, we have \begin{equation*}\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)=\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*} :unsure:
 
  • #34
mathmari said:
Ahh yes, we have \begin{equation*}\mathcal{M}_{\mathcal{B}_3}(\phi_3)=\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}\end{equation*}
Right. (Nod)
 
  • #35
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Right. (Nod)

Thank you ! 👌
 

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