How do I find horizontal asymptotes for a curve?

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The discussion revolves around finding horizontal asymptotes for a curve, specifically focusing on the limits as x approaches positive and negative infinity. Participants explore the reasoning behind these limits and share methods for evaluating them.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to find limits at negative infinity, noting they can determine the limit at positive infinity but struggle with the negative case.
  • Another participant explains that examining the behavior of the function for extremely negative values of x can clarify the limit at negative infinity, suggesting that for large negative x, the function behaves similarly to a simpler form.
  • A different approach is proposed, where one can use the relationship \lim_{x\to -\infty} f(x) = \lim_{x\to \infty} f(-x) to evaluate the limit at negative infinity, though this is described as a less rigorous method.
  • One participant indicates they have resolved their confusion after the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for finding limits at negative infinity, as multiple approaches are discussed. The initial confusion remains a point of exploration rather than resolution.

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Some participants mention the importance of rigorous definitions and algebraic manipulation, while others suggest intuitive approximations. There is a recognition that the choice of values and the behavior of functions at extremes can vary significantly.

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I am confused with solving for horizontal asymptotes. I know you are supposed to find limits to positive and negative infinity. I am able to solve for positive infinity but how are you supposed to do it for negative infinity, since you are not actually plugging in a particular value. This problem sounds like a silly question but it's really confusing me.


An example would be (4x)/(((x^4)+1)^(1/4))

I know the limit at positive infinity is 4, but why is it -4 at negative infinity?

Thanks!
 
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The standard interpretation of a limit as x approaches negative infinity is that we examine the behavior of the function for extremely negative, but finite, values of x. Your book will have the rigorous definition. As with any limit, we try to factor and manipulate the expression we have until we find a familiar limit or collection of limits. However, less rigorously, we can usually see what happens by using a sample extremely negative value. It is important to choose a value that is so large in absolute magnitude that none of the numbers involved in the function's expression are anywhere close to it.
For example, the expression x^4 + 1 is very close to simply being x^4 when x is a very negative number, such as x = -(10^100). That +1 may as well be invisible (Think of what value a finite precision calculator or measurement would show). That makes the denominator very close to being simply |x|. It is positive because an even power of any number is positive. In turn, this makes your fraction very close to 4x/|x|. Since x is negative, x/|x| = -1, so we have a number very close to 4*(-1) = -4. This series of deductions can of course be made rigorous with the proper algebraic manipulation of the original expression, but it is a good idea to practice making inferences by using approximations first.
 
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gene, the intuitive argument you can use on x going to infinity and minus infinity will be the same and is the best way to solve these problems (see slider's post for a full explanation). Another option however is to use
\lim_{x\to -\infty} f(x) = \lim_{x\to \infty} f(-x)

which turns it into a limit you claim you know how to calculate. This isn't the best simply because it is a crutch to help you solve problems that you don't fully understand.
 
ok I think I figured it out thanks!
 

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