How do I find partial derivatives with fractional exponents in the Chain Rule?

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The discussion centers on finding partial derivatives of the function k = g*e^(x/y) with respect to x and y, particularly focusing on the challenges posed by fractional exponents and the application of the chain rule and product rule in differentiation.

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  • One participant requests a step-by-step approach to finding ∂k/∂x and ∂k/∂y due to confusion with fractional exponents.
  • Another participant asserts that if one can differentiate basic functions, they should be able to tackle this problem, suggesting confidence in the ability to differentiate.
  • Multiple participants provide their calculations for ∂k/∂x and ∂k/∂y, with varying degrees of correctness and application of differentiation rules.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of the product rule depending on whether g is a constant or a function of x or y.
  • There are corrections regarding the application of the product rule and the inclusion of additional terms in the derivatives, with some participants questioning the correctness of earlier claims.
  • Later replies confirm that the derivatives presented by participants are correct after revisions, but there is still some discussion about simplification and the treatment of constants.
  • One participant expresses a preference for partial derivatives over ordinary derivatives, while another comments on the ongoing challenges of learning new methods in calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the process of finding the partial derivatives, but there are disagreements regarding the application of the product rule and the correctness of certain steps in the differentiation process. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants refine their understanding and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the application of differentiation rules, particularly in relation to whether g is treated as a constant or a variable function. There are also mentions of potential simplifications that could be made in the final expressions for the derivatives.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about partial derivatives, particularly those struggling with the application of the chain rule and product rule in the context of fractional exponents.

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Given k = ge^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x and ∂k/∂y. The fractional exponent throws me into a loop. Can someone show me step by step how to tackle this problem?
 
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Harpazo said:
Given k = ge^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x and ∂k/∂y. The fractional exponent throws me into a loop. Can someone show me step by step how to tackle this problem?

If you can do $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left( x\right) \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}y}\,\left( \frac{1}{y} \right) \end{align*}$ there is no reason you can't do this problem.
 
Prove It said:
If you can do $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x}\,\left( x\right) \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}y}\,\left( \frac{1}{y} \right) \end{align*}$ there is no reason you can't do this problem.

d/dx [x] = 1

d/dy [1/y]

We know that 1/y can be expressed as y^(-1).

So, d/dy [y^(-1)] = -y^(-2), which of course is -1/y^2.
 
Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x.

∂k/∂x = g * e^(x/y) * (1/y) + e^(x/y)

∂k/∂x = [g*e^(x/y)]/(y) + e^(x/y)

Note: When taking the derivative of the exponent (x/y), I first expressed (x/y) as x*(1/y) and then took the partial derivative of x holding 1/y as constant. The product rule is also at work here. Is this correct?
 
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Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂y.

∂k/∂y = g * e^(x/y) * (-x/y^2) + e^(x/y)

I applied the product rule.
 
Harpazo said:
Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x.

∂k/∂x = g * e^(x/y) * (1/y) + e^(x/y)

∂k/∂x = [g*e^(x/y)]/(y) + e^(x/y)

Note: When taking the derivative of the exponent (x/y), I first expressed (x/y) as x*(1/y) and then took the partial derivative of x holding 1/y as constant. The product rule is also at work here. Is this correct?

If g is a constant then you don't need the product rule. If g is a function of x, then yes, the product rule will be needed. In either case, you have applied it incorrectly, as you should not have that extra "+ e^(x/y)"

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Harpazo said:
Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂y.

∂k/∂y = g * e^(x/y) * (-x/y^2) + e^(x/y)

I applied the product rule.

Again, if g is a constant, you should not have used the product rule. If g is a function of y, then you would have needed the product rule, but you would have done so incorrectly, as again you should not have "+ e^(x/y)".
 
Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x.

∂k/∂x = g * e^(x/y) * (1/y)

∂k/∂x = [g*e^(x/y)]/(y)

Am I ok now?

Note: Here, y is held as constant.

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Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂y.

∂k/∂y = g * e^(x/y) * (-x/y^2)

Am I ok now?

Note: I could also simplify further by placing y^2 in the denominator. Here, x is held as constant.
 
Harpazo said:
Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂x.

∂k/∂x = g * e^(x/y) * (1/y)

∂k/∂x = [g*e^(x/y)]/(y)

Am I ok now?

Note: Here, y is held as constant.

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Given k = g*e^(x/y), find ∂k/∂y.

∂k/∂y = g * e^(x/y) * (-x/y^2)

Am I ok now?

Note: I could also simplify further by placing y^2 in the denominator. Here, x is held as constant.

Yes they're both fine now :)
 
Prove It said:
Yes they're both fine now :)

I find partial derivatives easier than calculus 1 derivatives.
 
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Harpazo said:
I find partial derivatives easier than calculus 1 derivatives.
The honeymoon isn't over yet. The partial derivatives act in the same way as the ordinary derivatives. It's just that your course hasn't given you the harder problems while you are learning new methods.

-Dan
 

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