How do I find percentage of a substance in a mixture?

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The discussion revolves around finding the percentage of cocoa solids in a mixture of milk chocolate being produced in a tank. Participants explore the formulation of differential equations to model the dynamics of cocoa and milk addition, as well as the outflow of the mixture. The focus is on the mathematical modeling and the assumptions involved in the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a scenario involving the addition of liquid cocoa and milk to a tank, leading to a differential equation for the volume fraction of cocoa.
  • Post 2 questions the meaning of the variable x in the equation provided by Post 1.
  • Post 3 proposes an alternative differential equation, assuming x represents the volume fraction of liquid cocoa, and provides a solution.
  • Post 4 reiterates the alternative equation and emphasizes the need for a correct formulation regarding the cocoa solids concentration.
  • Post 5 challenges the initial differential equation, asserting that the concentration of cocoa solids is always half that of the liquid cocoa and points out missing terms in the formulation. It also discusses the long-term behavior of cocoa solids concentration.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the formulation of the differential equations and the assumptions made about the concentrations of cocoa solids and liquid cocoa. No consensus is reached on the correct approach or solution.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the rates of addition and outflow, as well as the definitions of variables used in the equations. The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling the system accurately.

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Milk chocolate is being produced in a 300 litre tank, which initially contains 100 litres of milk. The following things then occur simultaneously:

1. Liquid cocoa (made up of equal parts cocoa solids and cocoa butter, both in liquid form) is added at a rate of 6 litres per minute.

2. Milk is added at a rate of 3 litres per minute.  The well-stirred mixture leaves the tank via a tube, at a rate of 6 litres per minute.

The differential equation for dx/dt + 6x / (100 + 3t) = 3
...Therefore...
x(t) = (9t^3 + 900t^2 + 30,000t) / (3t + 100)^2

Find the time in minutes (t) for the mixture to be 25% Cocoa solids.
 
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Hey proctortom.

What does the x in the x(t) refer to?
 
I get a differential equation that does not agree with yours. I am assuming that x is the volume fraction of liquid cocoa in the tank.

Total volume in tank at time t = (100 + 3t) liters

Rate of liquid cocoa entering = 6 lpm

Rate of liquid cocoa leaving = 6x lpm

Rate of liquid cocoa accumulation = d ((100 + 3t) x )/dt

Differential equation:

d ((100 + 3t) x )/dt = 6 - 6x

Or equivalently:

(100 + 3t) dx/dt + 9x = 6

Solution:

x = (2/3)(1 - 106/(100 + 3t)3)
 
Chestermiller said:
I get a differential equation that does not agree with yours. I am assuming that x is the volume fraction of liquid cocoa in the tank.

Total volume in tank at time t = (100 + 3t) liters

Rate of liquid cocoa entering = 6 lpm

Rate of liquid cocoa leaving = 6x lpm

Rate of liquid cocoa accumulation = d ((100 + 3t) x )/dt

Differential equation:

d ((100 + 3t) x )/dt = 6 - 6x

Or equivalently:

(100 + 3t) dx/dt + 9x = 6

Solution:

x = (2/3)(1 - 106/(100 + 3t)3)

He is asking for cocoa solid (from liquid cocoa) so dx/dt + 6x(100+3) = 3

Does anyone know how to do this

"After the tank is full, the process continues as above. However, in addition to the well-stirred mixture leaving via the tube, it also flows over the edges of the tank and is collected by overflow tubing which takes it to the cooling process. Let y(t) be the number of litres of cocoa solids present in the tank t minutes after it is full.

Find the differential equation satisfied by y(t)"
 
sad_song009 said:
He is asking for cocoa solid (from liquid cocoa) so dx/dt + 6x(100+3) = 3

His differential equation is still wrong. In this problem, the concentration of the cocoa liquid is always twice the concentration of the cocoa solids. If I put x = 2y in my equation, I get

dy/dt + 9y/(100+3t) = 3/(100+3t)

where y is the concentration of cocoa solid. The coefficient of 6 in his equation is incorrect. If the volume V of liquid in the tank is changing with time, then

d(Vy)/dt is not equal to V dy/dt. It is equal to V dy/dt + y dV/dt. He left out the second term which, in this problem, is equal to 3y. I also assert that there should be 100+3t in the denominator on the RHS.

To get the cocoa solids concentration from the solution I gave, just divide by 2.

In the limit of very long times, neglecting the finite capacity of the tank, the concentration of cocoa solids must approach 1/3 (consistent with my solution) since that is the concentration of cocoa solids in the feed, where, at long times, the effects of the initial liquid in the tank become negligible.

Chet
 
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