Rate of change problem and solving equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a rate of change problem involving a tank containing a mixture of water and salt. The original poster presents two parts: the first part concerns the amount of salt in the tank over time, while the second part involves solving an equation related to exponential decay.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to model the rate of change of salt in the tank and expresses difficulty in forming an equation. Some participants suggest describing the rate of change as a linear differential equation.
  • There is a discussion about whether the problem can be classified as exponential decay, with one participant attempting to derive a solution based on this concept.
  • Questions arise regarding the methods for solving the second part of the problem, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered on forming equations and understanding the relationship between the rate of change and exponential decay, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty about whether to treat the problem as a rate of change or exponential decay, indicating a potential area of confusion. Additionally, the second part of the problem appears to require a numerical solution, which is still under discussion.

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Homework Statement


a) A large tank initially holds a mixture of 100 litres of water and 10 kg of salt. Fresh water is pumped in at a rate of 2L/min. The mixture is kept uniform by stirring and is pumped out at a rate of 2L/min. If x is the amount of salt present at any time t minutes, find the amount of salt present in the tank after 10 minutes.

b) 0 = 1 - te^(-t/2)


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The Attempt at a Solution


a. I would think this is a rate of change problem. I can imagine that the amount of salt will keep decreasing over time while the water volume stays at 100 litres. But I'm not able to form any equation to represent the problem.
Can I get any help to solve this problem?

b. I try to solve the equation but I don't have any luck. I think I need a numerical method to solve this equation. Can this equation be solved without using a numerical method? If numerical method the only way, which method should I use?
 
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Try describing the rate of change as an equation involving x(t), the amount of salt at any given time in minutes. Once you've done this, you should have a linear differential equation. Do you know how to solve this?
 
Saraphim said:
Try describing the rate of change as an equation involving x(t), the amount of salt at any given time in minutes. Once you've done this, you should have a linear differential equation. Do you know how to solve this?

thanks for your reply saraphim. I think that's my problem, I'm having difficulty to describe the question into an equation. I think once I' m able to form the equation I'm able to solve it, hopefully.
 
Let x'(t) be the rate of change of salt in the tank and x(t) the amount of salt.

Then:

x'(t) = -2 L/minute * x(t)/(100 L)

since x(t)/(100 L) is the concentration at any given time.
 
but isn't this an exponential decay equation? the derivative w.r.t. time shouldn't yield a linear equation. Here's my thought:

Start with the definition of exponential decay N(t)=N_{0}e^{-\lambda t} The goal at hand is to find the value of lambda. We know that, in one minute, we will have eliminated 1/50 of the original fresh water supply, so it stands to reason that, in the same amount of time, we will have eliminated 1/50 of the original salt supply...I think. \frac{9.8}{10}=e^{-\lambda } ln(0.98)=-\lambda =-0.020203 \lambda =0.020203N(t)=10e^{-0.020203t}N(10)=10e^{-0.020203\times 10}=8.17kg

As for the second part of your question, here's what I got:1=te^{\frac{-t}{2}}\frac{1}{t}=e^{\frac{-t}{2}}\frac{1}{t}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{e^{^{t}}}}t=\sqrt{e^{t}}t^{2}=e^{^{t}} I could go no further, as my colleagues and I lack the insight to reduce it down any further.
 
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a. I was just asuming it is a rate of change problem. I don't quite understand whether it is more exact to be considered as exponential decay equation.
By solving above equation from Saraphim,
x(t) = 10e^{\frac{-1}{50}t}
I can get the amount of salt after 10 minutes is 8.19kg.
By evaluating the answer, Can I assume that both ways (rate of change or exponential decay) resulting the same equation and answer?

b. As for my second question, I was also manage to reduce the equation, but it is supposed that we can get t as a numeric value.
 
It is not a linear model (even though it is a linear differential equation) - if you plug in x(t)=10*exp(-t/50) into the equation for x'(t) this will be quite clear, and your results are, as far as I can see, correct.

Regarding b) I have no idea. Try posting a new question with that specifically.
 

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