Solving Mixture Problem ODE Homework

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The problem involves a 500-gallon tank initially filled with pure water, into which a salt solution is added at a specified rate. The task is to determine the time required to reach a certain salt concentration and to identify the domain of the function representing the amount of salt in the tank over time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and the interpretation of the function x(t) as the amount of salt. There are questions about the validity of the derived expressions and the initial conditions.

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Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some providing insights into the integration process and the implications of initial conditions. There is recognition of the need to verify calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the physical constraints of the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the domain of x(t) and the physical limitations of the tank's capacity, noting that the time variable t must remain less than 500 minutes due to the draining rate of the tank.

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Homework Statement



A 500 gallon tank is filled with pure water. A solution containing 4lbs of salt per gallon is added at a rate of 2 gallons per minute. The well-mixed solution is drained at a rate of 3 gallons per minute.

A) How long does it take for the container to achieve a concentration of 2lbs/gal?

B) What is the domain of x(t)?

Homework Equations


ODE


The Attempt at a Solution


I found x(t) to be (500-t)^2*(4000-t^2)

then I tried using x(t)/v(t)=2 lbs/gal and this is where I am stuck
 
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If x(t)=(500-t)^2*(4000-t^2), then if t=0 then x(0)=500^2*4000. What does that mean? What is x(t) supposed to be? What ODE did you solve? How did you get that strange answer?
 
x'+(3/(500-t))x=8 was the DE I used
 
I'm going to guess x(t) is the amount of salt. The ODE looks right. The solution doesn't. Can you show us more of how you solved it?
 
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Integrating Factor

e^\int(3/(500-t)) dt = (500-t)^(-3)

Dt\int [(500-t)^(-3)*x]dt=8\int(500-t)^(-3)


(500-t)^(-3) X=4/(t-500)^2 + C
 
dipset24 said:
Integrating Factor

e^\int(3/(500-t)) dt = (500-t)^(-3)

Dt\int [(500-t)^(-3)*x]dt=8\int(500-t)^(-3)(500-t)^(-3) X=4/(t-500)^2 + C

That seems ok again. Now what's C? What is x(0) supposed to be?
 
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dipset24 said:

Homework Statement



A 500 gallon tank is filled with pure water. A solution containing 4lbs of salt per gallon is added at a rate of 2 gallons per minute. The well-mixed solution is drained at a rate of 3 gallons per minute.

A) How long does it take for the container to achieve a concentration of 2lbs/gal?

B) What is the domain of x(t)?
Surely this is not the exact statement of the problem! There is NO "x(t)" in the original statement. What does x(t) mean here?

Homework Equations


ODE


The Attempt at a Solution


I found x(t) to be (500-t)^2*(4000-t^2)

then I tried using x(t)/v(t)=2 lbs/gal and this is where I am stuck
 
dipset24 said:
Integrating Factor

e^\int(3/(500-t)) dt = (500-t)^(-3)

Dt\int [(500-t)^(-3)*x]dt=8\int(500-t)^(-3)(500-t)^(-3) X=4/(t-500)^2 + C
The initial conditions are x(0)=0 since it is all pure water at time 0

After solving using the integrating factor my x(t)(pounds of salt)= -4(t-500)+c(t-500)^3
 
dipset24 said:
The initial conditions are x(0)=0 since it is all pure water at time 0

After solving using the integrating factor my x(t)(pounds of salt)= -4(t-500)+c(t-500)^3

Ok, but now you have to find C using x(0)=0. Then find where the concentration x(t)/(500-t)=2lbs/gallon, right?
 
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Dick said:
Ok, but now you have to find C using x(0)=0. Then find where the concentration x(t)/(500-t)=2lbs/gallon, right?

Yes that is where I am caught up I tried several ways to get c and then plug it into x(t)/(500-t)=2lbs/gallonThe c I come up with is .000016
 
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dipset24 said:
Yes that is where I am caught up I tried several ways to get c and then plug it into x(t)/(500-t)=2lbs/gallon


The c I come up with is .000016

That's gives you x(0)=0 doesn't it? What's wrong with that?
 
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Dick said:
That's gives you x(0)=0 doesn't it? What's wrong with that?

Yes but when I plug that into my X(t)/v(t)

(-4(t-500)+.000016(t-500)^3)/((500-t)=2

which I can reduce to 4-.000016(t-500)^2=2

but the answer t=853.55 is not correct I just need some help verifying my answer
 
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dipset24 said:
Yes but when I plug that into my X(t)/v(t)

(-4(t-500)+.000016(t-500)^3)/((500-t)=2

which I can reduce to 4-.000016(t-500)^2=2

but the answer t=853.55 is not correct I just need some help verifying my answer

It's a quadratic equation. It has two solutions, not just one. Can you find the other one?
 
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Dick said:
It's a quadratic equation. It has two solutions, not just one. Can you find the other one?
Yea i am sorry t=146.44 t= 853.553
However doesn't t have to be less then 500 going all the way back to the integrating factor.

e^(-3*ln(500-t)) t<500?
 
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dipset24 said:
Yea i am sorry t=146.44 t= 853.553
However doesn't t have to be less then 500 going all the way back to the integrating factor.

e^(-3*ln(500-t)) t<500?

Sure, t has to be less than 500. At t=500 the tank is drained. I think that's the sense to the question about what is the domain of x(t). The ODE has a solution outside of that range, but it doesn't make physical sense.
 
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Dick said:
Sure, t has to be less than 500. At t=500 the tank is drained. I think that's the sense to the question about what is the domain of x(t). The ODE has a solution outside of that range, but it doesn't make physical sense.


Yes thank you so the Domain is [0,500] and when t=146.446609 min our concentration is 2lbs/gal
 

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