How do I know what if an acid is strong or weak?

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The discussion revolves around classifying acids as strong or weak using the modified Arrhenius theory. Participants explore the definitions and implications of this theory in relation to specific acids: HNO3, HI, and HF. The scope includes theoretical understanding and practical measurement methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about determining the percentage of H3O+ ions in the solution based on the modified Arrhenius theory.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the dissociation constants of the acids is necessary to answer the problem effectively.
  • A different participant critiques the modified Arrhenius theory, suggesting it lacks clarity and may be poorly constructed, while advising caution in discussing this with instructors.
  • One participant proposes a method to measure the conductivity of the acids to determine their strength, indicating that stronger acids will show higher conductivity due to greater ionization.
  • Another method mentioned involves measuring the rate of hydrogen liberation at the cathode to assess acid strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and utility of the modified Arrhenius theory, with some questioning its validity while others suggest practical methods for assessing acid strength. There is no consensus on how to classify the acids based solely on the information provided.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the textbook's wording and the need for additional information, such as dissociation constants, to classify the acids accurately. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of the modified Arrhenius theory.

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Homework Statement



The question asks me to use the modified Arrhenius theory of acids to classify the following as strong or weak acids, HNO3(aq), HI(aq) and HF(aq).

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But the book only says that the modified Arrhenius theory for acids is, "an Arrhenius acid reacts with water to produce H3O+ (aq) in aqueous solution".

The Attempt at a Solution



There just doesn't seem to be enough information for me to know what percent of the solution is H3O+ ions.
 
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I don't see how to answer the problem without already knowing strength of these acids (their dissociations constants).
 
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Just googled "Modified Arrhenius Theory" and it looks like "edubabbled" nonsense to rationalize something Arrhenius couldn't explain. Don't give your instructor too much backtalk about it, though --- he might be the idiot who invented it.
 
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Thanks, it's probably just bad wording in the textbook.
 
Well if that is what your book says, then stick with it. You can measure the conductivity of the three acids (same number of moles and same volumes) by inserting two inert electrodes in the solution with a particular potential difference across them and connect an ammeter to the circuit, and the acid with the least resistance clearly has the highest H3O+ concentration, since the stronger an acid, the more strongly it ionizes the water molecules(and the more conductive it gets). You can also alternatively use a gas syringe to measure the rate of hydrogen liberation at the cathode, with the acid giving the highest rate being the strongest.
 

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