How do I Solve for A in Partial Fraction Expansion?

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The discussion revolves around performing partial fraction expansion on the expression (x^3 - 3x^2 + x - 12) / (x^4 + 5x^2 + 4). Participants are exploring the correct setup for the partial fraction decomposition and addressing issues related to the factors of the denominator.

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  • Some participants suggest using linear terms in the numerators for the partial fractions, while others question the setup of the original expression and the need for parentheses. There is discussion about how to isolate coefficients for solving the equations derived from matching terms.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches and clarifications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct form of the partial fractions, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to match coefficients from the expanded form.

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There are mentions of potential confusion regarding the notation and the structure of the fractions, as well as the need for clarity in the expression being analyzed. Participants are also considering whether the problem allows for partial fractions in terms of x^2 or requires further decomposition into terms involving x.

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Homework Statement


divide in partial fractions:

x^3 -3x^2+x-12 / x^4+5x^2+4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I factored x^4+5x^2+4 to (x^2 +1) (x^2+4)

x^3 -3x^2+x-12/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) = A (x^2+1)/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) + B (x^2+4) /(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)

they all have the same denominator so: x^3-3x^2+x-12 = A (x^2+1) + B (x^2+4)

now normally my next step would be to try to solve for A by making ( x^2+4) equal to zero so I don't have B in my equation anymore. so I should find an x where x^2 is -4 but this is impossible because of the ^2. how do I solve this? thanks in advance
 
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You can't use just A and B. You need (ax+b) and (cx+d). You have an x^3 term.
 
mathnovice said:

Homework Statement


divide in partial fractions:

x^3 -3x^2+x-12 / x^4+5x^2+4

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I factored x^4+5x^2+4 to (x^2 +1) (x^2+4)

x^3 -3x^2+x-12/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) = A (x^2+1)/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) + B (x^2+4) /(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)

they all have the same denominator so: x^3-3x^2+x-12 = A (x^2+1) + B (x^2+4)

now normally my next step would be to try to solve for A by making ( x^2+4) equal to zero so I don't have B in my equation anymore. so I should find an x where x^2 is -4 but this is impossible because of the ^2. how do I solve this? thanks in advance

You have written
x^3 - 3x^2 + x - \frac{12}{x^4} + 5 x^2 + 4
Are you sure that is what you really want?

If you mean
\frac{x^3 - 3 x^2 + x - 12}{x^4 + 5 x^2 + 4},
then you absolutely MUST use parentheses, like this: (x^3 -3x^2+x-12) / (x^4+5x^2+4).

If I were doing it I would expand ##1/(x^4 + 5 x^2 + 4) = 1/(t^2 + 5 t + 4)## into partial fractions in the variable ##t =x^2##, then multiply by the numerator ##x^3 - 3x^2 + x - 12## later. The numerator can be written as
x^3 -3 x^2 + x - 12 = (x^3 + x) - (3x^2 + 3) - 9 = (x-3)(x^2+1) - 9
for the ##(x^2+1)## denominator and as
x^3 -3 x^2 + x - 12 = (x^3 + 4x) - (3x^2 + 12) - 3x = (x-3)(x^2 + 4) - 3x
for the ##(x^2+ 4)## denominator; that will allow a complete partial-fraction expansion.

The only remaining issue is whether the questioner wants/allows partial fractions in ##x^2##, or whether you need to go all the way down to fractions in ##x##. In the latter case your partial fractions will be of the form ##1/(x + i c)##, where ##c## is a real number while ##i = \sqrt{-1}## is the imaginary unit.
 
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mathnovice said:

Homework Statement


divide in partial fractions:

x^3 -3x^2+x-12 / x^4+5x^2+4
mathnovice said:
You need parentheses here -- one pair around the whole numerator and another pair around the whole denominator.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I factored x^4+5x^2+4 to (x^2 +1) (x^2+4)

x^3 -3x^2+x-12/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) = A (x^2+1)/(x^2 +1) (x^2+4) + B (x^2+4) /(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)
No, this isn't right. You have skipped a step here, and your partial fraction decompositions aren't right. Try this to start with:
##\frac{x^3 -3x^2+x-12}{(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)} = \frac{Ax + B}{x^2 +1} + \frac{Cx + D}{x^2 +4}##
mathnovice said:
they all have the same denominator so: x^3-3x^2+x-12 = A (x^2+1) + B (x^2+4)

now normally my next step would be to try to solve for A by making ( x^2+4) equal to zero so I don't have B in my equation anymore. so I should find an x where x^2 is -4 but this is impossible because of the ^2. how do I solve this? thanks in advance
 
how do you guys right fractions and expontents that way? :D would come in handy.

Would this step be wrong?: (x^3-3x^2+x-12)/[(x^2+1)(x^2+4)] = [(Ax +B) (x^2+1)]/[(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)] + [(Cx+D)(x^2+4)] /[(x^2 +1) (x^2+4)]

and then say (x^3-3x^2+x-12) = (Ax +B) (x^2+1) + (Bx+c)(x^2+4) becose they all had the same denominator.

and if so then what is the next step? could turn it into (x^3-3x^2+x-12)= Ax^3 +Bx^2 +Ax +B+ Cx^3 +Dx^2 +4Cx +4D but I don't think that's really useful

thanks for helping me, was able to solve a lot of the exercises with watching the videos on khanacademy.com on partial fraction expansion but now I'm stuck
 
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To see how somebody has done some equations, click the reply button and look at the tags. Just don't post it because it would be a duplication.

You wrote (Ax+B) and (Bx+C). You used B twice. You want (Ax+B) and (CX+D).
 
mathnovice said:
and if so then what is the next step? could turn it into (x^3-3x^2+x-12)= Ax^3 +Bx^2 +Ax +B+ Cx^3 +Dx^2 +4Cx +4D but I don't think that's really useful
At this point, you can collect terms on the righthand side, giving you
$$x^3 - 3x^2 + x - 12 = (A+C)x^3 + (B+D)x^2 + (A+4C) x + (B+4D),$$ and then match coefficients. For example, from the ##x^3## terms, you'd get 1 = A+C. You'll have a system of four linear equations and four unknowns, which is straightforward to solve.
 
I found the answer: 1/(x^2+1) - 3/(x^2+4). everybody thanks for the help. I would never been able find the answer without it!
 
Unfortunately, that's not correct.
 

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