How Do I Understand Compound Names and Formulas Using the Periodic Table?

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The discussion focuses on understanding compound names and formulas, as well as the charges of ions using the periodic table. Participants explore general rules for determining chemical compounds and the precedence of different chemicals in reactions, with a mix of theoretical and practical considerations.

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  • One participant seeks help with understanding compound names, formulas, and ion charges using the periodic table.
  • Another participant questions how to determine which chemical takes precedence in a mixture, using specific examples involving sodium bicarbonate and sodium chloride.
  • A response suggests that the least soluble salt will form if a solution reaches saturation.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of strong and weak acids in solution, specifically regarding HCl and HF.
  • A participant expresses a desire for general rules for determining compound formation, proposing an example rule about electron count.
  • Another participant emphasizes that chemistry involves casework and specific knowledge about the molecules involved, mentioning the importance of equilibrium reactions and providing a reference to a Wikipedia article on chemical reactions.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the rules governing chemical reactions and the precedence of compounds, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on a specific procedure for determining compound formation.

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Participants mention the need for specific knowledge about molecules and reference values such as Ksp, Ka, and E0, indicating that the discussion is limited by the complexity of chemical interactions and the need for context-specific information.

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i need help understanding compound names and formulas and charges of ions using periodic table
 
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Maybe you should post in the Chemistry section.
 
sanketm182 said:
i need help understanding compound names and formulas and charges of ions using periodic table

Thread moved to Chemistry. Welcome to the PF, sanketm182. What can you tell us about the subject? What courses are you taking now? What kind of introduction to the Periodic Table have you had so far?
 
Perhaps someone could help me out with questions I have relating to this.

How do you determine which chemical takes precedence over others?

For exampe: if there was a mixture of bicarbonate and chlorine and I added sodium, would I have sodium bicarbonate or sodium chloride?

H + Cl + F = HCl + F or HF + Cl?

I hope what I'm asking is clear.
 
As for the sodium question, if the solution reaches saturation, the salt which is least soluble will form.

As for the H,Cl,F question, HCl is a super strong acid and will dissolve completely. HF is a weak acid and will more likely form, but in both cases you are dealing with equilibrium reactions, so the molecules will likely dissolve shortly after forming.
 
Thank you for your reply, but what I'm looking for are general rules to follow (as opposed to specific), perhaps using the periodic table?

An example of a rule (I just made this up off the top of my head): "The molecule with the least electrons will form a compound"

If it were true then flourine would have less electrons so it would make H + F + Cl = HF + Cl.

Obviously I'm just using that rule as an example, but is there some set precedure to working all this out?

Perhaps even a topic reference so I can look it up...

Thanks
 
There are laws which govern reactions, but Chemistry is a lot of casework. You really need to know stuff about the spesific molecules/atoms involved. For example, you might think that H+ and HSO4- in solution will combine to form H2SO4, but in reality very few of protons will do this. The eason is that the equilibrium reaction

[tex]H_2SO_4(aq)\Longleftrightarrow H^+(aq)+HSO_4^-(aq)\Longleftrightarrow 2H^+(aq) + SO_4^{2-}[/tex]

is strongly weighed to the right (H2SO4 is also a super strong acid).

You really need a table of Ksp, Ka and E0 values to get anywhere with unorganic reactions.

A good place to start is the Wikipedia article on Chemical rections, which lists many reaction types: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_reaction
 
Thank you for your help, i'll check out and hopefully I can learn some stuff from it.
 

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