How do intelectual property rights apply to scientific discoveries?

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The discussion revolves around the application of intellectual property rights to scientific discoveries, particularly in the context of whether researchers can claim revenue from products developed using their discoveries. It explores theoretical implications, legal frameworks, and the impact of patent laws on scientific progress.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a researcher who discovers a unifying theory between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics is entitled to revenue from products developed using that theory.
  • Another participant asserts that the individual who develops the product would hold the patent and thus the original researcher would not have any statutory rights to revenue.
  • A participant inquires about studies examining the effects of applying intellectual property rights to scientific discoveries on capital investment and scientific progress.
  • It is noted that ideas cannot be patented, and once a theory is published, it cannot be protected, suggesting that researchers should invent patentable applications themselves.
  • Another participant emphasizes that facts cannot be patented, further complicating the issue of protecting scientific discoveries.
  • A participant explains that patent law excludes laws of nature and mathematical formulas from protection, while engineered inventions may be patentable, highlighting the evolving nature of this area of law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the entitlement to revenue from scientific discoveries, with some arguing against the possibility of claiming such rights and others questioning the implications of patent laws on scientific progress. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of patent law, the distinction between ideas and inventions, and the evolving nature of intellectual property rights in relation to scientific discoveries.

mrspeedybob
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Say for example I discovered how to unify General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics and then someone else uses this improved understanding of physics to engineer a new product which would have been impossible without it. Am I entitled to a portion of the revenue generated by the new product?

What about all the electronics now on the market that rely heavily on principles of quantum mechanics? Can the physicists who discovered those principals (or their heirs) claim a portion of the revenue generated? What about the universities or laboratories that funded the research that resulted in said discoveries?
 
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mrspeedybob said:
Say for example I discovered how to unify General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics and then someone else uses this improved understanding of physics to engineer a new product which would have been impossible without it. Am I entitled to a portion of the revenue generated by the new product?
No. The "someone else" would hold the patent and you would not have any statutory rights to the invention nor any royalties, profits, or other revenues.
 
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Do you know if anyone has ever conducted any studies to determine if applying intellectual property rights to scientific discoveries would result in...

More private capital investment in research -> greater scientific progress

or

Reduced sharing of research and ideas -> less scientific progress

I'm sure both would happen, but has anybody done any serious study on what the net effect would be?
 
You can't patent an idea. And you can't protect anything once it is in the public domain.

So your only best chance of making money from your unified theory is never to publish the theory, but invent some patentable gizmo that uses it yourself.

Of course that means it's hard to tell whether or not you are a crackpot - but plenty of crackpots make money, so why is that a big deal? :devil:
 
AlephZero said:
You can't patent an idea.

And even worse - you can't patent a fact.
 
Patent law [title 37, us code of federal regulations] specifically excludes protection of laws of nature. This includes things such as mathematical formulas, and even extends to naturally occurring genes. Engineered genes can, however, be protected - usually. This area of law is new and continually evolving. GATT stirred things up at the PTO and has had a significant impact of us patent laws. Non-patented inventions can be protected under the trade secrets provision of the patent law. The problem is it offers no protection if someone figures out your 'secret' - unless they stole it from you. Trade secrets are normally reserved for things that are difficult to reverse engineer - like a special process.
 

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