How Do Ladder Operators Annihilate States in SU(2) Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of ladder operators in the context of the SU(2) algebra, specifically how these operators annihilate certain states within a finite-dimensional representation. Participants explore the implications of these operators on eigenstates of the generator ##\tau_{3}## and the conditions under which states are raised or lowered.

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  • Some participants describe the action of the ladder operators ##\tau_{\pm}## on eigenstates of ##\tau_{3}##, noting that ##\tau_{-}## can annihilate the state ##|1\rangle##.
  • Others argue that the finite-dimensional nature of the vector space implies there exists a maximum eigenvalue, beyond which ##\tau_{+}## cannot raise the state indefinitely.
  • A participant proposes that the highest state ##|j\rangle## is annihilated by ##\tau_{+}##, leading to the conclusion that ##\tau_{+}|j\rangle = 0##.
  • Another participant suggests that since ##\tau_{+}## only annihilates the highest state, it cannot annihilate the lowest state, prompting a discussion on the uniqueness of the annihilated state.
  • Further contributions explore the relationship between the operators and the eigenstates of the total spin operator ##S^2##, leading to a derivation of conditions under which the ladder operators must annihilate certain states.

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Participants generally agree on the existence of a highest state that is annihilated by ##\tau_{+}##, but there is ongoing discussion regarding the uniqueness of this state and the implications of the ladder operators on the full set of eigenstates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the annihilation process and the conditions that govern it.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the completeness of the eigenstate basis and the implications of the finite-dimensional representation, which are not fully resolved. There are also dependencies on the definitions of the operators and the eigenvalues involved.

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Let the generators of the SU(2) algebra be ##\tau_{1}##, ##\tau_{2}## and ##\tau_{3}##.

Consider an ##N## dimensional representation, which means that the ##\tau_{i}## are ##N \times N## matrices which act on some ##N##-dimensional vector space.

Consider the ladder operators ##\tau_{\pm}=\tau_{1}\pm i\tau_{2}##. Let's work in a basis where ##\tau_{3}## is diagonal, and let ##|m\rangle## denote a unit normalized eigenstate of ##\tau_{3}## with eigenvalue ##m##.

Now, I can show that ##\tau_{\pm}## can raise/lower the eigenvalue of ##|m\rangle## by 1, since ##\tau_{3}(\tau_{\pm}|m\rangle)=(m\pm 1)(\tau_{\pm}|m\rangle)##.

I can also show that ##\tau_{-}## can annihilate the state ##|1\rangle##, since ##\tau_{3}(\tau_{-}|1\rangle)=(1-1)(\tau_{-}|1\rangle)=0##

How do I show that ##\tau_{+}## also annihilates some state?
 
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This sounds a bit handwavy, but you have a finite-dimensional vector space - so the number of eigenstates of ##\tau_{3}## is finite. So it is not possible to keep applying ##\tau_{+}## to raise the state indefinitely; it must terminate at some maximum ##|m\rangle##.
 
How about the following:

Consider the highest state ##|j\rangle## labelled by its eigenvalue ##j##. Then, ##\tau_{3}(\tau_{+}|j\rangle)=(j+1)(\tau_{+}|j\rangle)##.

But ##|j\rangle## is the highest state, and ##(j+1) \neq 0##. Therefore, ##\tau_{+}|j\rangle = 0##.

Is this sound?
 
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Sounds good to me (that's how I would do it too if I had to write it down mathematically)
 
How do I argue that there must be exactly one state annihilated by ##\tau_{+}## and that this is a ##\tau_{3}## eigenstate?

I have already shown that ##\tau_{+}## annihilates some highest state ##|j\rangle##. All I can do now is to argue that ##\tau_{+}## does not annihilate the lowest state - ##\tau_{+}## cannot annihilate the lowest state, because it can only raise a state, not lower it.

What are your thoughts?
 
Well, if the set of ##\tau_3## eigenstates forms a complete basis of your vector space (as it should), then any state can be represented in terms of these ##\tau_3## eigenstates, and we know that ##\tau_+## only annihilates ##|j\rangle## (among the set of ##\{|m\rangle\}##), so if ##\tau_{+} |\psi\rangle = \sum c_{n} \tau_{+} |n\rangle## vanishes, it must be that all the ##c_n##s vanish for ##n \neq j##.
 
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How do I show that ##\tau_{+}## also annihilates some state?

I think that a way to get both an upper and lower bound on \tau_3 is by realizing that \tau_1, \tau_3, \tau_3 commute with S^2 \equiv (\tau_1)^2 + (\tau_2)^2 + (\tau_3)^2. So we can find states that are simultaneously eigenstates of S^2 and \tau_3. So let's restrict attention to eigenstates of S^2 with eigenvalue \lambda. Then we can write:

\tau_+ \tau_- = (\tau_1 + i \tau_2)(\tau_1 - i \tau_2) = (using commutation relations and definitions) S^2 - \tau_3(\tau_3 - 1)

If we let |m\rangle be a state where \tau_3 |m\rangle = m |m \rangle, then we know that \tau_- |m\rangle returns a state that is proportional to |m-1\rangle. Let \alpha_m be the constant of proportionality:

\tau_- |m\rangle = \alpha_m |m-1\rangle

We can show that \tau_+ |m-1\rangle = \alpha_m |m\rangle. So putting the two together, we have:

\tau_+ \tau_- |m \rangle = (\alpha_m)^2 |m\rangle

But we also know that \tau_+ \tau_- = S^2 - \tau_3(\tau_3 - 1). So we have:

(S^2 - \tau_3(\tau_3 -1)) |m\rangle = (\alpha_m)^2 |m\rangle

Since we assumed we're dealing with eigenstates of S^2 with eigenvalue \lambda, and by definition, \tau_3 |m\rangle = m |m \rangle, we have:

(\lambda - m(m-1)) |m\rangle = (\alpha_m)^2 |m\rangle

So \alpha_m = \sqrt{\lambda - m(m-1)}

So we have:
\tau_- |m\rangle = \sqrt{\lambda - m(m-1)} |m-1\rangle

\tau_+ |m-1\rangle = \sqrt{\lambda - m(m-1)}|m\rangle \Rightarrow \tau_+ |m\rangle = \sqrt{\lambda - m(m+1)}|m+1\rangle

If we require that \alpha_m is real (and why is that?), then it must be that \lambda \geq m(m-1). If m keeps getting larger, than eventually that constraint will be violated. If m keeps getting smaller, than eventually that constraint will be violated. So if you keep acting with \tau_-, eventually you get to zero: For the smallest possible value of m, it must be that:

\tau_- |m_{min}\rangle = 0 = \sqrt{\lambda - m_{min} (m_{min}-1)} |m_{min}-1\rangle

So \lambda = m_{min}(m_{min}-1)

Similarly, if you keep acting with \tau_+, you will eventually violate the constraint. So there must also be an m_{max} such that

\tau_+ |m_{max}\rangle = 0 = \sqrt{\lambda - m_{max}(m_{max} + 1)} |m_{max} + 1\rangle

So \lambda = m_{max}(m_{max} + 1)

So if we define m_{max} = j, and m_{min} = -j, then we have:

\lambda = j(j+1)
\tau_+ |j\rangle = 0
\tau_- |-j\rangle = 0
 
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