How do low mass stars outlive high mass stars?

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The discussion centers around the lifespan of low mass stars compared to high mass stars, exploring the mechanisms that contribute to their longevity, including hydrogen consumption and fusion processes. Participants examine theoretical models, observational data, and the implications of stellar evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy in the estimated hydrogen consumption of the Sun, questioning how it can have 5 billion years left if it has used less than 10% of its hydrogen in 4.7 billion years.
  • Another participant explains that the Sun's core cannot bring in fresh hydrogen from outer layers, limiting its fuel supply and leading to its eventual transformation into a Red Giant.
  • A participant references the Standard Solar Model, indicating that the Sun's core hydrogen content has decreased from about 70% to 33%.
  • Some participants contrast the Sun's inability to support convection with that of less massive stars, which can bring fresh hydrogen into their cores, contributing to their longer lifespans.
  • One participant mentions that a red dwarf star, which is significantly less massive than the Sun, has a much lower luminosity and uses its fuel more slowly.
  • There is a debate about the lifespan of low mass stars, with one participant suggesting they could exist for trillions of years, while another questions this claim in light of the age of the universe.
  • Another participant uses an analogy comparing the lifespan of low mass stars to a redwood sapling, suggesting they burn slowly and live long lives compared to high mass stars that have shorter, more explosive lifespans.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the longevity of low mass stars, with some asserting they can last trillions of years while others challenge this notion based on the age of the universe. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms and implications of stellar lifespans.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various models and assumptions about stellar evolution, but there are unresolved questions about the specifics of hydrogen consumption rates and the definitions of stellar classifications.

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I'm just doing some reading on stars and I've hit a problem which I can't solve.

According to a book I'm using it claims the amount of hydrogen converted in the Sun over it's lifetime so far is 5.4x10^55. I roughly agree with this figure using the method this author calculates the number. He also says that the sun had about 8.9x10^56 hydrogen atom and so concludes the star has used less than 10% of it's hydrogen.

However it appears that most people say the sun has about another 5 billion years before it runs out of fuel and yet we've used less than 10& in about 4.7billion years? Can anyone explain the vast differences here?

Thanks.
 
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The core of the sun, and stars similar to the sun, cannot bring fresh hydrogen from their outer layers into the core to replace the fused hydrogen. Thus whatever amount is in the fusible area of the core is all that it has to work with. Once this is used up the Sun will turn into a Red giant and begin burning Helium for a while.
 
It;s interesting to study models of the sun like this Standard Solar Model. The core of the sun is already down to only 33% H, after starting at about 70% H.
 
Just to contrast, while the Sun is unable to support convection (the process which would bring hydrogen from the outer envelope down into the core), less massive stars are. These stars are able to effectively move the fused helium outside, while bringing fresh hydrogen into the core, which is part of the reason why they can have such ridiculously long lifespans (trillions of years).
 
Nabeshin said:
Just to contrast, while the Sun is unable to support convection (the process which would bring hydrogen from the outer envelope down into the core), less massive stars are. These stars are able to effectively move the fused helium outside, while bringing fresh hydrogen into the core, which is part of the reason why they can have such ridiculously long lifespans (trillions of years).

And to bounce off your post, these low mass stars also use their fuel much slower than the Sun. A red dwarf that's 49% of the Suns mass only has 3.5% of its luminosity.
 
Nabeshin said:
Just to contrast, while the Sun is unable to support convection (the process which would bring hydrogen from the outer envelope down into the core), less massive stars are. These stars are able to effectively move the fused helium outside, while bringing fresh hydrogen into the core, which is part of the reason why they can have such ridiculously long lifespans (trillions of years).

Trillions? How do you figure that? The entire cosmos is only 13-14 billion years old at this point. What are these Methuselah stars?
 
they WILL exist for trillions of years, they are currently not so old. At most 13.7 billion years old or so
 
Phoenix59 said:
Trillions? How do you figure that? The entire cosmos is only 13-14 billion years old at this point. What are these Methuselah stars?

A redwood sapling you plant in a two day old park will likely outlive your great, great, great, great, great grandchildren despite the fact that the park is only two days old.

Similarly, low mass stars burn cool and slowly, live long lives and go out with a whimper while high-mass stars (much like many rock stars) live fast and furious, leave a big bloated corpse, and go out with a bang.
 

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