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hollowman
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I'm confused about the mass of the Sun (and stars in general).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
Wikipedia notes:
" It is a nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma..."
...and later ...
"About three quarters of the Sun's mass consists of hydrogen (~73%); the rest is mostly helium (~25%), ..."
I thought that plasma was not comprised of elements (much less molecules); rather, it's a soup of particles in that fourth state of matter.
Correct me if I'm off, of course.
So how can the Sun be mostly H/He (mass) and hot plasma?
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I asked the above on another forum, and a reply was:
"The atomic nuclei retain their identities, which is what gives the elemental abundances quoted."
To which I replied:
Wiki also notes:
"In a plasma, electrons are ripped away from their nuclei, forming an electron "sea". This gives it the ability to conduct electricity."
I can buy that ...except the fact that (for H, 75% of Sun's mass) you've got single protons floatin' 'round in a sea of electrons. Not sure what nuclear identities can be made out from that confused mess, unless you're further dividing the proton's HYDROGEN identity to its quark-based substructure.
To which another member replied:
"The nuclear identity of a proton is simply "hydrogen". No need to bring quarks into it, an isolated proton and a hydrogen nucleus are just the same thing."
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So what is plasma in the Sun? E.g., ist it simply 75% Hydrogen as free-floating protons in a sea of electrons ... followed by 2P/2N nuclei in that same sea of electrons ... etc.?
If I have single protons in a sea of electrons (but not in orbit around the proton), is that configuration elemental hydrogen?
Thanks!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
Wikipedia notes:
" It is a nearly perfect sphere of hot plasma..."
...and later ...
"About three quarters of the Sun's mass consists of hydrogen (~73%); the rest is mostly helium (~25%), ..."
I thought that plasma was not comprised of elements (much less molecules); rather, it's a soup of particles in that fourth state of matter.
Correct me if I'm off, of course.
So how can the Sun be mostly H/He (mass) and hot plasma?
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I asked the above on another forum, and a reply was:
"The atomic nuclei retain their identities, which is what gives the elemental abundances quoted."
To which I replied:
Wiki also notes:
"In a plasma, electrons are ripped away from their nuclei, forming an electron "sea". This gives it the ability to conduct electricity."
I can buy that ...except the fact that (for H, 75% of Sun's mass) you've got single protons floatin' 'round in a sea of electrons. Not sure what nuclear identities can be made out from that confused mess, unless you're further dividing the proton's HYDROGEN identity to its quark-based substructure.
To which another member replied:
"The nuclear identity of a proton is simply "hydrogen". No need to bring quarks into it, an isolated proton and a hydrogen nucleus are just the same thing."
------
So what is plasma in the Sun? E.g., ist it simply 75% Hydrogen as free-floating protons in a sea of electrons ... followed by 2P/2N nuclei in that same sea of electrons ... etc.?
If I have single protons in a sea of electrons (but not in orbit around the proton), is that configuration elemental hydrogen?
Thanks!