How Do Macrostates and Microstates Determine Particle Energy Distribution?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving three non-interacting particles sharing a total of three units of energy. Participants are exploring the concepts of macrostates and microstates, particularly how they relate to the distribution of energy among the particles.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to define macrostates and microstates, with some suggesting that macrostates represent different energy distributions while microstates account for the arrangements of these distributions. There is uncertainty about the correct number of macrostates and microstates for the given scenario.

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There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and interpretations regarding macrostates and microstates. Some participants are questioning the original poster's assumptions about the number of macrostates and the relationship between macrostates and microstates. Guidance has been offered in the form of clarifications about the interchangeability of particles.

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Participants are working with the constraints of the problem as presented, including the requirement for integral energy units and the total energy available. There is also mention of answers provided in the textbook, which may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A collection of three non-interacting particles shares 3 units of energy. Each particle is restricted to having an integral number of units of energy.
a)How many macrostates are there?
b)How many microstates are there in each of the macrostates?
c)What is the probability of finding one of the particles with 2 units of energy? With 0 units of energy?[/B]

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Definitions:
macrostate: each possible energy distribution
microstate: the various arrangement of microstates according to a given macrostate

The Attempt at a Solution



The answers are in the back of the book but I'm not really clear on the concepts

a) There are 3 macrostates because there are 3 units of energy?
b) My first though was that you could have either:
3 microstates in each macrostate There are 3 ways to do that
2 microstates in one microstate, 1 in anouther. There are 6 ways to do this
2 microstates per macrostate

c) if what I am saying is right than there's a 1/6 chance that one particle has 2 units of energy, and a 1/3 chance they have zero units of energy
 
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pinkfishegg said:
Definitions:
macrostate: each possible energy distribution
That's not a crystal clear definition, but I think perhaps it means the different ways the energy can be distributed if you consider the particles as interchangeable. E.g. 0,1,2 is the same as 1,2,0 etc.
I certainly don't think the number of macrostates is merely the number of energy units in total.
The number of microstates will be different for each macrostate.
 
haruspex said:
That's not a crystal clear definition, but I think perhaps it means the different ways the energy can be distributed if you consider the particles as interchangeable. E.g. 0,1,2 is the same as 1,2,0 etc.

So the the energy units can be distrubuted

3 macrostates=3 combination of different units
3-0-0 0-3-0 0-0-3 2-1-0 2-0-1 1-2-0 1-0-2 0-1-2 0-2-1 1-1-1
3 microstates 6 microstates 1 microstate

haruspex said:
I certainly don't think the number of macrostates is merely the number of energy units in total.
The number of microstates will be different for each macrostate
 
pinkfishegg said:
So the the energy units can be distrubuted

3 macrostates=3 combination of different units
3-0-0 0-3-0 0-0-3 2-1-0 2-0-1 1-2-0 1-0-2 0-1-2 0-2-1 1-1-1
3 microstates 6 microstates 1 microstate
That's my guess.
 
@pinkfishegg,

You mentioned that the answer is in the back of the book. Out of curiosity, what is the given answer?
 
collinsmark said:
@pinkfishegg,

You mentioned that the answer is in the back of the book. Out of curiosity, what is the given answer?
1)3
2)3,6,1
3) 20%, 40%
 

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