Statistical mechanics - N distinguishable particles

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The discussion revolves around a statistical mechanics problem involving N distinguishable particles distributed in N identical boxes, each with two quantum energy levels. The original poster seeks to determine the number of microstates corresponding to a specific macrostate with total energy Mε.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss counting methods for microstates, with references to binomial coefficients and classical counting analogies, such as tossing coins. There are attempts to relate the problem to previous experiences with simpler systems.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of how to apply combinatorial methods to the problem. Some participants express confusion over the application of binomial coefficients, while others suggest that the problem may be simpler than initially perceived. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach at this stage.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in counting methods and the implications of different statistical approaches, such as Bose-Einstein statistics for systems with integer spins. The original poster's attempts to generalize their previous experiences are met with challenges in applying those methods to the current problem.

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Homework Statement


"A model system consists of N identical ”boxes” (e.g. quantum wells, atoms), each box with only two quantum levels, energies E0 = 0 and E1 = ε What is the number of microstates corresponding to the macrostate with total energy Mε?"

The Attempt at a Solution


I've done questions like this in the past with a small number of quantum wells, but then I've simply counted the number of possible arrangements. For example, if you have 3 quantum wells with one particle in each, and each well has 4 energy levels (including E0=0), there are 10 different microstates if the macrostate energy is 3ε. But I can't find a general equation.

Does anyone know the general equation(s) that are used to solve a question like this?
 
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Well aware of the binomial coefficients, but I still can't figure it out.
 
You're trying to figure out how to put M units of energy into N boxes.
 
But that doesn't work.

Take the case I described in my attempt at a solution: If you simply count by hand, you will find 10 ways to get 3 units of energy out of a system of three particles each in its own quantum well with four energy levels (Ranging from E0=0 to E3=3). But nCr(3,3) ≠ 10, nor does nCr(4,3).
 
fuselage said:

Homework Statement


"A model system consists of N identical ”boxes” (e.g. quantum wells, atoms), each box with only two quantum levels, energies E0 = 0 and E1 = ε What is the number of microstates corresponding to the macrostate with total energy Mε?"

The Attempt at a Solution


I've done questions like this in the past with a small number of quantum wells, but then I've simply counted the number of possible arrangements. For example, if you have 3 quantum wells with one particle in each, and each well has 4 energy levels (including E0=0), there are 10 different microstates if the macrostate energy is 3ε. But I can't find a general equation.

Does anyone know the general equation(s) that are used to solve a question like this?

Think of tossing a coin N times On each toss, 'heads' ↔ energy level ε, 'tails' ↔ energy level 0. You want to know how many sequences of tosses have M heads and (N-M) tails.

Note: that is essentially "classical" counting. If, instead, your N have integer spins you need to use the so-called "Bose-Einstein" statistics, which gives a radically different result.
 
fuselage said:
But that doesn't work.

Take the case I described in my attempt at a solution: If you simply count by hand, you will find 10 ways to get 3 units of energy out of a system of three particles each in its own quantum well with four energy levels (Ranging from E0=0 to E3=3). But nCr(3,3) ≠ 10, nor does nCr(4,3).
But that's not the case you have here. Each box can be in one of two states, which makes it much easier, and you can use nCr.

For the case where each system can be in more than one state, see http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/disbol.html
 

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