The discussion revolves around the influence of photons on mass in the context of gravity and tensor theory. Participants explore the nature of photons, their mass, and how these concepts might relate to gravitational models, including the idea of virtual photons and their role in forces.
Participants generally agree that photons are massless, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of photon interactions with mass and the validity of using virtual photons to model gravity. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the relationship between photons, mass, and gravity.
There are limitations in the discussion, including unclear assumptions about the nature of mass and energy, as well as unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of spin in particle physics.
I mean in the simplest sense it's the photon's energy which has mass and the only way this mass can be realized is when it effects an atom and it is no longer a photon but an "excitement" in that atom where it's mass is now apparent, however so slight. Which means I agree.mfb said:Photons are massless, by the way.
I found the concept I was imagining presented in a youtube video (of all places!) as the Higg's concept, but I am severely scatter-brained and too distracted to get into it further. I've never read anything specific about Higg's and gravitons and how that entire scheme works but as far as the spin 2 thing goes they are nothing but words I've read, I have nothing to associate it with. Boson are spin 1, fermions are spin 1/2 does it follow photons are 1/4 spin or is it just 90 offset of the em with no spin? Ugh spin 1... nevermind I'm going to watch that video again at a better time!mfb said:Photons do not have the right couplings and not the right spin.
It does not.jerromyjon said:I mean in the simplest sense it's the photon's energy which has mass
I believe most of that 30 minute video is quite accurate and it starts with unified forces where gravity separates first and takes a trip inside the standard model like you have to see to believe. I have a fairly deep understanding how things "work" on the atomic scale, and that video certainly puts ranges in a simple perspective. I'm certainly not expecting to concoct my own quantum theory of gravity or anything just trying to get some basic concepts of anything and everything!mfb said:Youtube videos are not reliable references.
I hope Peter Higgs would please accept my sincere apology, that's in the obscure chance he cares that I am extremely bad with names.mfb said:And I guess Peter Higgs would be unhappy about "Higg's".