How Do Radiowaves Interfere Destructively at a Cliffside Radiotelescope?

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The problem involves a radiotelescope positioned on a cliff, receiving radiowaves from a distant galaxy. The discussion centers around the conditions for destructive interference of the waves, particularly at an angle of 57 degrees, considering the effects of reflection and the refractive indices of air and water.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the interference condition equation and question the validity of their assumptions regarding path length differences. There is an exploration of trigonometric relationships to determine the path difference between the direct and reflected rays.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and others questioning the application of certain equations. There is a recognition of the need to calculate the path length difference from first principles, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is an emphasis on the refractive index of the sea being greater than that of air, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. Additionally, the original poster's attempts to apply the interference condition have not yielded expected results, leading to further inquiry.

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Homework Statement



A radiotelescope is positioned at a height of h=150m on a cliff overlooking the sea. A very distant galaxy emitting radiowaves, wavelength 3m, is at an angle [tex]\theta[/tex] above the horizion. The radiowaves reach the telescope both directly and after reflection off the water surface. Show that if [tex]\theta[/tex]=57degrees, then the 2 rays interfere destructively, so that the signal received is zero. Note that the refractive index,n,of the sea is greater than that of air

Homework Equations


dsin[tex]\theta[/tex]=(m+1/2)[tex]\lambda[/tex] for destructive interference.


The Attempt at a Solution


Tried substituting the values into the equation, with d=2hsin[tex]\theta[/tex], and expected to get m as an integer, but didnt..
 
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EmmaK said:

Homework Statement



A radiotelescope is positioned at a height of h=150m on a cliff overlooking the sea. A very distant galaxy emitting radiowaves, wavelength 3m, is at an angle [tex]\theta[/tex] above the horizion. The radiowaves reach the telescope both directly and after reflection off the water surface. Show that if [tex]\theta[/tex]=57degrees, then the 2 rays interfere destructively, so that the signal received is zero. Note that the refractive index,n,of the sea is greater than that of air

Homework Equations


dsin[tex]\theta[/tex]=(m+1/2)[tex]\lambda[/tex] for destructive interference.


The Attempt at a Solution


Tried substituting the values into the equation, with d=2hsin[tex]\theta[/tex], and expected to get m as an integer, but didnt..

That equation doesn't apply here; I'll leave it to you to figure out why. You have to approach this problem from first principles. First, calculate the path length difference between the reflected ray and the direct ray.
 
oh ok, is the path difference not 2hsin(theta)=300sin(theta) either?
 
I see no obvious reason why it should be equal to that.
 
ok.. i just used trig. sin(angle) = opposite/hypotenuse. want to find hypotenuse and opposite =h. and there's 2 of these triangles, so path difference is double this..hard to explain without a diagram!
 
I have given you a hint (with diagram) on the TSR physics site.
 

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