How Do Spacecrafts Gain Speed in Space?

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The discussion centers around how spacecraft gain speed in space, exploring various propulsion methods and trajectories used in space missions. Participants examine both theoretical and practical aspects of propulsion systems, including chemical rockets, ion propulsion, and gravity-assist trajectories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that spacecraft like Pioneer 10 follow a ballistic trajectory after being set on course by a chemical rocket, relying on inertia and gravity.
  • There is a discussion about using conservation of momentum to propel a spacecraft, where mass is ejected to increase speed.
  • Ion propulsion is noted as a method that requires carrying propellant, with several spacecraft having successfully used this technology, though it provides low thrust compared to chemical propulsion.
  • Solar sails are mentioned as a propulsion method that does not carry propellant, utilizing sunlight instead.
  • Participants discuss the concept of gravity-assist trajectories, which allow spacecraft to gain speed by using the gravitational pull of planets.
  • There is mention of the limitations of ion propulsion for impulsive maneuvers, suggesting that chemical propulsion is more suitable for such tasks.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the feasibility of collecting hydrogen from space for propulsion, referencing science fiction solutions to this issue.
  • Comparisons are made between the Apollo missions and SMART 1, highlighting the differences in travel times and propulsion methods used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness and application of different propulsion methods, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on the best approach for gaining speed in space, particularly regarding the use of ion propulsion versus chemical propulsion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges associated with high thrust requirements in strong gravitational fields, suggesting that different propulsion systems may be better suited for different phases of space travel.

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I was reading about a few mission that sent spacecraft s very far from the Earth.
Like the Pioneer 10, which went past the asteroid belt, Jupiter, and lost contact with Earth on 2003.
I tried to search for, but didn't find what those kind of spacecraft s use to gain speed in the space.
I know they use Radioisotopes thermoelectric generators to power up all experiments and computers on the spacecraft , but can you move a spacecraft using a kind of electric motor in space?
 
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It followed a ballistic trajectory after being set on course by the third stage of the launch vehicle(A standard chemical rocket) . After it left Earth's vicinity, it just followed a path determined by its own inertia and gravity.
 
Sakha said:
I was reading about a few mission that sent spacecraft s very far from the Earth.
Like the Pioneer 10, which went past the asteroid belt, Jupiter, and lost contact with Earth on 2003.
I tried to search for, but didn't find what those kind of spacecraft s use to gain speed in the space.
I know they use Radioisotopes thermoelectric generators to power up all experiments and computers on the spacecraft , but can you move a spacecraft using a kind of electric motor in space?

Hi Sakha! :smile:

We can only power a spaceship by using conservation of momentum …

basically, we throw something out the back, and the spaceship moves faster forward …

so either the spaceship has to carry something with it (fuel), which it gradually gets rid of,

or it has to collect something on the way (ion propulsion, invented decades ago but never used, or solar wind).

However, there are some unpowered orbits which will take a spaceship to distant planets … the "slingshot" orbits, which Pioneer 10 etc used, where the spaceship gets very close to one planet, whose gravitational pull then "slingshots" it to the next planet. :smile:

(the onboard generators only provide very weak power, and anyway would still require some sort of fuel to enable momentum to be chucked out the back :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
or it has to collect something on the way (ion propulsion, invented decades ago but never used, or solar wind).
To pick some nits:
Spacecraft with ion propulsion engines have to carry their own propellant -- mass carried by the spacecraft and ejected from the spacecraft as a means of providing a propulsive force. Several spacecraft have used ion propulsion engines. These including Deep Space 1 and Dawn (NASA), SMART 1 (ESA), and Hayabusa (JAXA). The advantage of ion propulsion engines is that they have a much higher specific impulse (change in momentum per unit propellant mass) than does chemical propulsion. The disadvantage is that ion propulsion engines provide very low thrust (i.e., we don't know yet how to make a big ion thruster).

Solar sails do not carry propellant. They don't use the solar wind, however. They use sunlight.
 
Hi D H! :smile:
D H said:
Spacecraft with ion propulsion engines have to carry their own propellant -- mass carried by the spacecraft and ejected from the spacecraft as a means of providing a propulsive force. Several spacecraft have used ion propulsion engines. These including Deep Space 1 and Dawn (NASA), SMART 1 (ESA), and Hayabusa (JAXA).

wow … didn't know that …

I read an article years ago about how a spaceship could collect hydrogen from space (which isn't a complete vacuum, of course), ionise it, and chuck it out the back :rolleyes:
The advantage of ion propulsion engines is that they have a much higher specific impulse (change in momentum per unit propellant mass) than does chemical propulsion. The disadvantage is that ion propulsion engines provide very low thrust (i.e., we don't know yet how to make a big ion thruster).

hmm … so ion propulsion is useful over long journeys, but chemical propulsion is needed for "impulsive" manoeuvres such as getting off a planet? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
I read an article years ago about how a spaceship could collect hydrogen from space (which isn't a complete vacuum, of course), ionise it, and chuck it out the back :rolleyes:
You're talking about a http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A600436" . Science fiction authors can solve these issues with a simple wave of the hand.

hmm … so ion propulsion is useful over long journeys, but chemical propulsion is needed for "impulsive" manoeuvres such as getting off a planet? :smile:
The Apollo missions to the Moon followed a more-or-less direct path from the Earth to the Moon, taking 3 days or so to get from low Earth orbit to lunar orbit. Compare this with SMART 1. SMART 1 was launched on September 27, 2003 by an Ariane 5 rocket and inserted into a 7,035×42,223 km orbit (perigee × apogee). SMART 1 then used its Hall effect thruster to spiral out from the Earth. Thirteen and a half months later, on November 11, 2004, SMART 1 passed through a keyhole at the Earth-Moon L1 point. Four days after that it passed its first perilune. It took several more months (February 28, 2005) to achieve its desired 2,200×4,600 km lunar orbit. Total time from initial Earth orbit to low(ish) lunar orbit: seventeen months.
 
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tiny-tim said:
hmm … so ion propulsion is useful over long journeys, but chemical propulsion is needed for "impulsive" manoeuvres such as getting off a planet? :smile:
High Isp systems have low thrust, so basically are limited to low gravity (out in space). To move in high gravity fields, e.g. earth, one needs a lot of thrust so one needs high mass flow rate, which usually means chemical propulsion (e.g. LH2/LOX), although one could use a monopropellant like straight H2 (e.g. nuclear rocket).
 

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