How Do Step, Impulse, and Bode Functions Affect Physical Systems?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of step, impulse, and Bode functions on physical systems, particularly in the context of a mass-spring-damper system. Participants explore how these inputs influence system behavior, oscillations, and modeling of forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe an impulse as a sudden force applied to the system, akin to hitting it with a hammer, while a step input is characterized as a constant force applied indefinitely.
  • It is noted that both impulse and step inputs can induce transient oscillations in a spring-mass-damper system, with the impulse returning to the original position after oscillations, and the step resulting in a constant extension of the spring.
  • Participants mention that steps and impulses can be combined to model other forces, such as applying a step of +F followed by a step of -F to simulate a force applied over a time interval.
  • A Bode plot is introduced as a method to display system response to oscillating forces at various frequencies, particularly near resonant frequencies.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in conceptualizing how to apply a step force input to a mass-spring-damper system, questioning methods that would not alter the system's properties or dynamics.
  • Concerns are raised about using additional weights or jacks to apply constant forces, as these methods could change the system's characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and effects of impulse and step inputs, but there is uncertainty regarding the practical application of a step force input without altering the system's dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of how to apply a constant force without changing the system's properties, indicating a need for further exploration of practical implementations.

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So I understand what these inputs are, however I'm having a hard time visualising what they do in a physical system.

Can anyone share any physical examples of what each of these do?
E.G I assume a step input in a Mass Spring Damper system would create the force to cause oscillation?
 
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Impulse = hit the system with a hammer, then let it do whatever it does.

Step = suddenly apply a constant force to the system, then keep the applying the force "for ever".

They will both produce oscillations transient in a spring-mass-damper system. For an impulse, the system will come back to the original position after hte oscillations die out. For a step, the system will end up with the spring extended by the constant force.

Steps and impulses can also be used as the building blocks to model other forces applied to a system. For example a step of +F at time 0, plus a step of -F at time 1, is the same applying the force for an interval of 1 second.

A bode plot is a way to displaying the response of the system to an oscillating force at different frequencies - for example to show what happens close to the resonant frequencies of the system.
 
AlephZero said:
Impulse = hit the system with a hammer, then let it do whatever it does.

Step = suddenly apply a constant force to the system, then keep the applying the force "for ever".

They will both produce oscillations transient in a spring-mass-damper system. For an impulse, the system will come back to the original position after hte oscillations die out. For a step, the system will end up with the spring extended by the constant force.

Steps and impulses can also be used as the building blocks to model other forces applied to a system. For example a step of +F at time 0, plus a step of -F at time 1, is the same applying the force for an interval of 1 second.

A bode plot is a way to displaying the response of the system to an oscillating force at different frequencies - for example to show what happens close to the resonant frequencies of the system.

Brilliant post, if I could rep you somehow I would!

This is exactly what I wanted to know. Really appreciate it, modelling systems will be so much easier now.
 
I have a some difficulty in imagining how the step force input to the mass spring damper system could be given.

For example imagine a mass is suspended from the ceiling with the spring and damper between the mass and the ceiling - how would one give a step Force input to the system?

I thought that we could attach a weight to the existing mass that would exert a downward pull on the mass (i.e a constant force) - however the mass property of the original system would be altered and we would end up with a new system.

Also we could use a jack to apply the force on the mass but the jack would constrain the movement of the mass and the dynamics of the system would be altered.

So how does one apply a constant force to the mass - could you help me out ?

Many Thanks
 

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