How Do Volumes of Reactant Gases Compare to Product Gas in Ammonia Synthesis?

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The discussion revolves around the volumes of reactant gases (hydrogen and nitrogen) compared to the product gas (ammonia) in the synthesis reaction of ammonia. Participants explore the implications of the stoichiometry of the reaction and the physical properties of gases involved, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the required volumes of hydrogen and nitrogen to produce a specified volume of ammonia, using stoichiometric ratios from the balanced chemical equation.
  • Another participant notes that the textbook's example is correct, pointing out that four molecules of reactants yield two molecules of ammonia, implying that the total volume of reactants exceeds that of the product.
  • A participant questions whether a mole of ammonia occupies the same volume as a mole of hydrogen or nitrogen, suggesting that the total volume of gases may be reduced upon reaction.
  • Another participant states that at standard temperature and pressure, one mole of any gas occupies a similar volume, indicating that a complete reaction would result in a yield of half the initial volume of gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gas volumes in the reaction, with some agreeing on the stoichiometric relationships while others question the physical space occupied by the gases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of gas volume changes during the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully address the assumptions regarding ideal gas behavior and the conditions under which the reaction occurs, which may affect the volume relationships discussed.

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Suppose that you want to prepare 2.00*10^3 L of ammonia gas, NH3 , from the reaction of hydrogen gas with nitrogen gas. What volume of hydrogen and nitrogen do you need? Assume that the temperature and pressure remain constant during the reaction.

3H2(g) + N2(g) -> 2 NH3(g)

V H2 = 2.00*10^3 L NH3 * (3 vol H2 / 2 vol NH3) = 3.00*10^3 L H2

V N2 = 2.00*10^3 L NH3 * (1 vol N2 / 2 vol NH3) = 1.00*10^3 L N2

Therefore, 3.00*10^3 L of hydrogen and 1.00*10^3 L of nitrogen is required to make 2.00*10^3 L of ammonia.


This is an example in my textbook. My question is: how is it that when 3000L of hydrogen and 1000L of nitrogen are combined it produces only 2000L of ammonia?

Is the question stated incorrectly, is it taking into account only one volume of ammonia produced, or does the chemical reaction between hydrogen and nitrogen produce a more closely condensed ammonia gas?
 
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ND3G said:
This is an example in my textbook. My question is: how is it that when 3000L of hydrogen and 1000L of nitrogen are combined it produces only 2000L of ammonia?

Your textbook is not wrong. If you look at the equation, four molecules on the left produce 2 molecules of ammonia. So, it makes sense that 4000L are required to produce 2000L of ammonia.
 
So, does a mole of ammonia, take up the same physical space as either a mole of hydrogen or nitrogen would on their own? By combining the two is the total volume of gases reduced?

3 vol H2 + 1 Vol N2 = 2 Vol NH3

3L H2 + 1L N2 = 2L NH3
 
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At standard temperature and pressure, one mole of any gas will occupy the same volume (~22L I think). So yes, if the reaction was to work completely, then you would be left with a yield of half the volume of the gases you put in.
 

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