How Do Waves Influence the Movement of the Northern Lights?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind the northern lights, specifically how waves influence their movement and formation. Participants explore the relationship between charged particles, magnetic fields, and the resulting auroras, while also considering the dynamics of solar wind and its effects on the auroras.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the nature of the waves associated with the northern lights and the role of particles in their movement.
  • Another participant explains that the waves in the aurora reflect waves in the Earth's magnetic field, detailing how charged particles spiral along magnetic lines and interact with the atmosphere.
  • It is noted that the motion of charged particles in a magnetic field results in helical trajectories, with the possibility of ions jumping between field lines due to collisions.
  • There is a mention of the complex interactions between moving charged particles and the magnetic field, suggesting that significant particle flux can lead to chaotic behavior, similar to solar phenomena.
  • One participant draws an analogy between the solar wind and the dynamics of a choppy sea, proposing that variations in solar wind could lead to corresponding variations in the auroras.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the influence of waves and solar wind on the northern lights, with no consensus reached on the specifics of these interactions or the implications of the dynamics discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of charged particles in magnetic fields and the nature of solar wind dynamics remain unexamined, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions.

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How do the northern lights work?

I have already know why it emits light, but why in waves? Why does it move? Are the particles that excite oxygen the ones that were deflected, or the ones that were already heading straight towards the Arctic Circle? Feel free to post any questions as they come up and I'll edit it into the post.
 
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The waves in the aurora reflect waves in the Earth's magnetic field. The particle spiral in along the magnetic lines of force and the aurora forms as they impinge upon the atmosphere.

As a charged particle moves in a magnetic field its component of motion along the field line is unchanged but the perp. component is rotated about the field line. A particle moving perp to a uniform field will move in a circle, if it's moving parallel it moves in a straight line. The usual mixture of perp and parallel components yields a helical motion. In general the axis of motion will be exactly along a field line but collisions allows ions to "jump" to another field line orbit.

Also since the moving charged particles constitute an electric current, they will contribute to the magnetic field themselves if the particle flux is significant you can get some rather complex interaction between magnetic field and this plasma. (Note how volatile and chaotic the sun's surface can become!)

That's the gist of what I understand about them, someone more dedicated to their study could give you far more info I'm sure.
 
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jambaugh said:
The waves in the aurora reflect waves in the Earth's magnetic field. The particle spiral in along the magnetic lines of force and the aurora forms as they impinge upon the atmosphere.

As a charged particle moves in a magnetic field its component of motion along the field line is unchanged but the perp. component is rotated about the field line. A particle moving perp to a uniform field will move in a circle, if it's moving parallel it moves in a straight line. The usual mixture of perp and parallel components yields a helical motion. In general the axis of motion will be exactly along a field line but collisions allows ions to "jump" to another field line orbit.

Also since the moving charged particles constitute an electric current, they will contribute to the magnetic field themselves if the particle flux is significant you can get some rather complex interaction between magnetic field and this plasma. (Note how volatile and chaotic the sun's surface can become!)

That's the gist of what I understand about them, someone more dedicated to their study could give you far more info I'm sure.
Would be excited to see if anyone could expand on this, thanks a lot.
 
Have you seen videos of solar prominences? They are very dynamic. It would be reasonable therefore to expect the solar wind to arrive at Earth in puffs, and waves, with varying speeds and directions. Those small variations should cause corresponding variations in the aurora. I visualize the analogy of sunlight reflected from the surface of a choppy sea.



 
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anorlunda said:
Have you seen videos of solar prominences? They are very dynamic. It would be reasonable therefore to expect the solar wind to arrive at Earth in puffs, and waves, with varying speeds and directions. Those small variations should cause corresponding variations in the aurora. I visualize the analogy of sunlight reflected from the surface of a choppy sea.




Ah, that is what I figured but I wasnt so sure about it. Now I'm more certain, thanks!
 

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